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Post by reverendcaptain on Jul 25, 2020 14:56:57 GMT
I love that scene. Do you think Gerog knew Max was going to say his family the whole time and just played along, or do you think he really thought it was a good idea until he realized it was his family Max was talking about?
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Post by utility_singer on Jul 26, 2020 10:40:37 GMT
I love that scene. Do you think Gerog knew Max was going to say his family the whole time and just played along, or do you think he really thought it was a good idea until he realized it was his family Max was talking about? Yes, he knew and was playing along. It is difficult to say exactly which scenes/dialogue was changed in making Georg a stronger character without having seen the original script, because so very much was changed from the stage version. The graveyard scene is the standout, as that is similar to the stage script.
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 19, 2022 22:08:28 GMT
Do you think Maria always leads the mealtime prayers? Or does Georg take that over once he is done being annoyed by everything Maria does (so, after The Apology)? I wonder what Elsa (or even Max) think about the governess having such a role if she indeed is always the person to lead grace.
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Post by missisa on May 20, 2022 6:25:56 GMT
reverendcaptain always asks the best questions! I would dare to say that he would always let her lead the prayer, basically because of Maria's religious role (which makes everything quite logical) and because doing it himself (especially if they coincide at the table with Elsa or Max) would be like facing Elsa in a figurative way (for me, a little strange). (btw, my grandparents used to pray at the table and although my grandfather clearly led the table, she was always the prayer)
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Post by indigoblue on May 25, 2022 23:21:33 GMT
I suppose there is a possibility that he either does not believe in God or does not wish to have prayers at table. In this case, her proposing them would needle him even more!
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Post by missisa on May 26, 2022 21:25:26 GMT
You never know but I always imagined him as a believer. It is assumed that the Captain had a certain relationship with the convent since the RM shows great respect for him from the beginning and it is assumed that he goes to the abbey looking for a governess (or I am already influenced by the fanfics?) or at least there is a hint of camaraderie between the Captain and the RM. There is also a crucifix in the governesses' room (it can be seen while Maria is praying, although giving a second thought, it makes more sense that she herself would have carried it with her...) However, at the dinner time, he is clearly upset but the children do not hesitate for a single moment how to behave while she is praying which indicates that they probably prayed in the past. Also, would Maria have fallen in love with him so deeply and easily if they hadn't shared the same faith? ok everything is possible when it's about love but let's be honest, she was a postulant.
I don't know if there is an specific thread but now that I think about it, the RM-Captain relationship is curious.
She begins by describing him when she entrusts the mission to Maria:
"I will tell Captain von Trapp to expect you tomorrow (...) A retired officer of the Imperial Navy. A fine man and a brave one." They have clearly talked directly and not through third parties, perhaps even have a long-standing friendship.
He then refers to rhe RM again in front of Maria: "Now, frรคulein... -Maria. I don't know how much the Mother Abbess told you..."
Later and after the kiss! they both talk about the Mother Abbess: "What else does the Reverend Mother say?" I mean, by God, they were kissing and they start talking about the RM??! without a doubt a great friend for both of them (I even wonder if Georg wouldn't be so nervous minutes before asking Maria her reasons for coming back fearing that she had told secrets to the RM hahaha).
And then, in the middle of the escape, the Captain turns again to the RM like a son in search of his mother's help: "We thought we might borrow your car", it is definitely a closer relationship so my vote is that it was believer and a practicing Christian.
(I know that in real life you can have friends and not share the same ideas, but this would not be so much fun to argue).
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Post by indigoblue on May 26, 2022 23:49:34 GMT
Excellent points!
But it still seems odd to me that a married naval man with 7 kids should know the RM so well. Why so?
Also, your point about him being nervous about what went on when M went back to the abbey...what DOES he suspect? Does he think the RM had a hand in Maria returning? If G knows the RM so well, don't you think he would have phoned her to check whether M was there (for her safety, as much as anything). Is that how the RM knew to say "Are you IN LOVE with him?", because he had already phoned and had a tete-a-tete with her?
So tantalizing!
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Post by missisa on May 27, 2022 13:59:22 GMT
Asking about her safety wasn't a good option because Maria already wrote in her note where she was going and asking if she's there already might sound a bit ridiculous? especially if you're calling the abbey dressed in a tuxedo ๐๐ Or is the day after the party with the hungover when he recalls? I'm sure we've already talked here about when Georg reads the note.
Regarding your question: "But it still seems strange to me that a married sailor with 7 children knows the RM so well" I can think of many good reasons, from knowing each other as children to professional relationships (donations from a wealthy family to a convent for charity or the passage of other governesses in the past), or simply because it turned out to be a family with faith that they frequented the church or maybe went to mass at the convent when they celebrate. In any case I love your theory about the Captain's stuttering call! but something tells me he's so embarrassed after being discovered by Elsa in the Laender that he might not have called directly, even though he was dying to. Maybe that's why he's so desperate afterward to wring an explanation out of the children and their blueberries ๐
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Post by utility_singer on May 31, 2022 12:31:24 GMT
I suppose there is a possibility that he either does not believe in God or does not wish to have prayers at table. In this case, her proposing them would needle him even more! I think it is simply that Agathe likely led the prayers at the table (if for no other reason than that he was gone so much), and since it was another thing that reminded him of her, he dropped it. Allowing Maria to go ahead and say grace was a way to see what she would say.
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Post by Chris&Byng on Jun 21, 2022 23:29:46 GMT
You never know but I always imagined him as a believer. It is assumed that the Captain had a certain relationship with the convent since the RM shows great respect for him from the beginning and it is assumed that he goes to the abbey looking for a governess (or I am already influenced by the fanfics?) or at least there is a hint of camaraderie between the Captain and the RM. There is also a crucifix in the governesses' room (it can be seen while Maria is praying, although giving a second thought, it makes more sense that she herself would have carried it with her...) However, at the dinner time, he is clearly upset but the children do not hesitate for a single moment how to behave while she is praying which indicates that they probably prayed in the past. Also, would Maria have fallen in love with him so deeply and easily if they hadn't shared the same faith? ok everything is possible when it's about love but let's be honest, she was a postulant. I don't know if there is an specific thread but now that I think about it, the RM-Captain relationship is curious. She begins by describing him when she entrusts the mission to Maria: "I will tell Captain von Trapp to expect you tomorrow (...) A retired officer of the Imperial Navy. A fine man and a brave one." They have clearly talked directly and not through third parties, perhaps even have a long-standing friendship. He then refers to rhe RM again in front of Maria: "Now, frรคulein... -Maria. I don't know how much the Mother Abbess told you..." Later and after the kiss! they both talk about the Mother Abbess: "What else does the Reverend Mother say?" I mean, by God, they were kissing and they start talking about the RM??! without a doubt a great friend for both of them (I even wonder if Georg wouldn't be so nervous minutes before asking Maria her reasons for coming back fearing that she had told secrets to the RM hahaha). And then, in the middle of the escape, the Captain turns again to the RM like a son in search of his mother's help: "We thought we might borrow your car", it is definitely a closer relationship so my vote is that it was believer and a practicing Christian. (I know that in real life you can have friends and not share the same ideas, but this would not be so much fun to argue). I think this is spot on (love it!) but my two cents to add is that he has 'fallen off the wagon' after the death of his wife. It would seem easy to become cynical - praying to God didn't do him much good when his wife was ill. I suspect he was very devout (with his wife), put many a donation in the collection plate over the years...and then went cold. I think the RM would understand this kind of relationship with the church given Georg's circumstances. Georg just looks so darned unimpressed with all aspects of grace at the dinner table.
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Post by missisa on Jun 22, 2022 6:02:42 GMT
๐ Yes, yes and yes!!! ๐๐๐๐
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