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Post by augiesannie on May 11, 2015 10:42:15 GMT
It's dinner time. Georg gets a telegram from Elsa, reads it, and announces he's going to Vienna. What does the telegram say?
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Post by utility_singer on May 11, 2015 11:22:58 GMT
GEORG STOP COME TO VIENNA STOP BRING ME BACK TO VILLA SO KIDS CAN MEET ME BEFORE I TALK YOU INTO PROPOSING STOP MAX COMING WITH TO KEEP KIDS OUT OF MY HAIR STOP I MEAN CHAPERON US STOP SEE YOU TOMORROW STOP
LOL just kidding, sort of
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Post by lemacd on May 11, 2015 12:31:32 GMT
Don't forget STOP you promised STOP can't wait STOP All my love Elsa
I have no idea why Elsa would send a telegram. Your question makes me think that you assume the telegram instigated the visit but I think he already had plans to go. His governess problem pushed it to the back of his mind maybe. Still... telegram?? Elsa doesn't strike me as the type who doesn't just pick up a phone. Therefore, I think the telegram was from someone else. Berlin, asking for a meeting the next day and he remembered his trip in relief. Like, saved by a previous engagement. Maybe? Clearly it was just a way to get Liesl and Rolf a chance to meet. Otherwise it makes no sense to me.
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Post by thebeestings on May 11, 2015 13:39:17 GMT
GEORG LOOKING FORWARD TO VISIT. STOP. DO REMEMBER THE RIDING CROP. STOP. ELSA Honestly, I agree with lemacd, I don't really think it was from her. Plans to visit her where probably already in place. I always assumed it said PLOT DEVICE STOP. It allows Leisl to be 16 going on 17 and the Captain to look mysterious, important and busy. |
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Post by lemacd on May 11, 2015 14:16:27 GMT
GEORG LOOKING FORWARD TO VISIT. STOP. DO REMEMBER THE RIDING CROP. STOP. ELSA Honestly, I agree with lemacd, I don't really think it was from her. Plans to visit her where probably already in place. I always assumed it said PLOT DEVICE STOP. It allows Leisl to be 16 going on 17 and the Captain to look mysterious, important and busy. I was going to be cheeky and mention the riding crop LOL |
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Post by thebeestings on May 11, 2015 14:26:02 GMT
lemacd said: As well you should have!
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Post by utility_singer on May 11, 2015 14:36:28 GMT
Ah, the riding crop. {sigh}
Maybe it was from Max:
HOPE THIS TELEGRAM FOOLS KIDS AND GOVERNESS STOP SEE YOU TOMORROW AT ELSA'S STOP BRING MORE WINE STOP
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Post by thebeestings on May 11, 2015 14:50:53 GMT
Ah, the riding crop. {sigh} Maybe it was from Max: HOPE THIS TELEGRAM FOOLS KIDS AND GOVERNESS STOP SEE YOU TOMORROW AT ELSA'S STOP BRING MORE WINE STOP And there is the story this fandom really needs...lol! I'm at the allergist with my son and the nurse poked her head in when she heard me laughing... |
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Post by clarinetjamie on May 11, 2015 14:55:37 GMT
Maybe she was replying to his request to have her come.
DARLING YES I WILL COME VISIT STOP BRINGING MAX TO CHAPERONE STOP PLEASE HAVE PLENTY OF STRUDEL TO KEEP HIM OCCUPIED STOP.
Not complaining or anything, but what was up with the riding crop? I never understood why he would randomly carry one around and all I have to say is that it should be illegal for a man to look that unabashedly handsome wearing a hat.
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Post by thebeestings on May 11, 2015 16:47:02 GMT
Maybe she was replying to his request to have her come. DARLING YES I WILL COME VISIT STOP BRINGING MAX TO CHAPERONE STOP PLEASE HAVE PLENTY OF STRUDEL TO KEEP HIM OCCUPIED STOP. Not complaining or anything, but what was up with the riding crop? I never understood why he would randomly carry one around and all I have to say is that it should be illegal for a man to look that unabashedly handsome wearing a hat. He isn't wearing riding breeches in the scene either, which is a real missed opportunity if you ask me... Perhaps he was showing her the grounds and he grabbed it out of habit at the stables? Or some lovely person in the prop department just thought, good lord yes that man needs a crop. |
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Post by utility_singer on May 11, 2015 17:29:43 GMT
Doesn't matter why he has it, I have a feeling he'd put it to good use. 50 Shades of von Trapp?
I'm sorry.
Actually, I'm not.
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Post by indigoblue on May 11, 2015 17:55:51 GMT
I think the Continuity Dept were concerned about how much his hair had grown since the last scene and someone called out, "He needs a crop!", upon which he duly grabbed a crop and ...the rest is history...
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Post by lemacd on May 11, 2015 19:01:39 GMT
Or "Give him a prop!" Only they forgot to specify.
Ambiguity is the devil's volleyball.
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Post by clarinetjamie on May 11, 2015 20:09:09 GMT
Maybe she was replying to his request to have her come. DARLING YES I WILL COME VISIT STOP BRINGING MAX TO CHAPERONE STOP PLEASE HAVE PLENTY OF STRUDEL TO KEEP HIM OCCUPIED STOP. Not complaining or anything, but what was up with the riding crop? I never understood why he would randomly carry one around and all I have to say is that it should be illegal for a man to look that unabashedly handsome wearing a hat. He isn't wearing riding breeches in the scene either, which is a real missed opportunity if you ask me... Perhaps he was showing her the grounds and he grabbed it out of habit at the stables? Or some lovely person in the prop department just thought, good lord yes that man needs a crop. I totally just laughed out loud! |
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Post by augiesannie on May 11, 2015 20:34:52 GMT
I'm at the opthamologists and I fear they're about to send me across the hall to the psychiatry clinic owing to my demented laughter. You guys are the best.
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Post by augiesannie on May 11, 2015 20:37:59 GMT
Also - wow - it never occured to me that the telegram wasn't from Elsa. In awe of your brilliance lemacd and thebeestings. Still, here's my pedestrian attempt: "You win STOP. Stubborn man! STOP. If you can't make a decision otherwise, then fine, I'll come STOP. We'll need Max to chaperone STOP. Come get me before I change my mind STOP Or you change yours STOP." |
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Post by lemacd on May 11, 2015 20:40:59 GMT
Yes, that would make G jump and announce his trip to Vienna!
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Post by mie779 on May 14, 2015 20:12:35 GMT
Doesn't matter why he has it, I have a feeling he'd put it to good use. 50 Shades of von Trapp? I'm sorry. Actually, I'm not.  www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207261377642561&set=gm.842367905842649&type=1made me think of this pic from our facebook group (do hope it turns up... but I guess you can all figure out just WHAT pic I'm refering to  ) Sorry but must admit that I'm a fan of CP in uniform, open shirt buttons, and the riding crop... Oh if I ever had the nerve to combine those three elements in a fic.... o,O  (PS: think my mind is messed up really  oh god hope me hubby will NEVER read this... he would NEVER understand *LOL* ) |
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Post by thebeestings on May 14, 2015 22:22:09 GMT
mie779 said: I've thought about it too...more often than I should 
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Post by clarinetjamie on May 14, 2015 23:53:33 GMT
mie779 said: I've thought about it too...more often than I should Who on here isn't!? |
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Post by andhereweare on Jul 28, 2019 21:10:04 GMT
Resurrecting this thread to give my interpretation of the riding crop:
Georg: This is my domain, I'm in charge.
Georg a few minutes later: OK, maybe not.
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Post by Supercali on Jul 29, 2019 1:07:05 GMT
Speaking of the riding crop, I suddenly remember MARIA also used to hold a riding crop, on a carriage during the "DO RE MI".
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Post by lemacd on Jul 29, 2019 22:18:57 GMT
Resurrecting this thread to give my interpretation of the riding crop: Georg: This is my domain, I'm in charge. Georg a few minutes later: OK, maybe not. ROFLOL!! there is a meme in this somehow... Hahahs! |
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Post by clarinetjamie on Jul 30, 2019 7:43:32 GMT
Speaking of the riding crop, I suddenly remember MARIA also used to hold a riding crop, on a carriage during the "DO RE MI". That's true, she does! Good catch! |
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 30, 2019 23:40:56 GMT
Well spotted! I had always wondered where he had suddenly got a crop from, as it seemed so inappropriate when showing his girlfriend around his garden. But presumably Maria acquired it in the horse carriage and then absent-mindedly took it home and left it on the Pegasus Landing when she and the kids decided to take the skiff out on the lake. Then along comes Georg, picks it up, and starts to put all sorts of ideas into Elsa’s mind...
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Post by Supercali on Jul 31, 2019 3:06:27 GMT
I don't think it's the same crop from the Do Re Mi scene, apparently Georg's crop looked shorter and fancier. And yes, it's so weird for him to carry a crop when there's no horse around even though he looked dangerously charming by doing that.
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Post by andhereweare on Jul 31, 2019 3:54:54 GMT
Maria with a riding crop works with my previous comment.
Maria, during Do Re Mi: I'm taking over this household.
Georg, on his return: This is my domain, I'm in charge.
Georg, a few minutes later: OK, maybe not.
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Post by meegmog on Jul 31, 2019 4:34:58 GMT
This is just a thought because I have far too much time on my hands, and I've been thinking about this thread and the riding crop (but who doesn't think about the riding crop?).
It's an interesting scene for him to hold the riding crop. A riding crop more or less would symbolize control in some sense. He holds it while he's walking with Elsa around the gardens. Elsa and the relationship he has with her is safe to him. He's able to go to her in Vienna and escape his life and the memories back home. In the eyes of society, they are a great match, and he brings her to his home allegedly with the intention of proposing marriage. In a sense, I gather that his relationship with Elsa is something that he feels in control of. It all seems rather straight forward - he's been courting her, he wants to give the children a mother, and so he thinks about taking the next step.
Now, he puts the riding crop down when he begins to visibly look around around for the children, who we all know are not there. From there, it's a rather downwards spiral. He comes across Rolf who, being the little Nazi he is, reminds Georg of the unsteady political times they live in, and the fear that his country will cease to exist if the Anschluss happens, which he is unable to control, though he desperately wants to. Shortly after, his children capsize a boat and fall into a lake wearing drapes before he gets a dressing down from his children's governess. Whereas he had seemed to have control before, he seems to be reminded that he is rapidly losing his country, as well as he is losing, or perhaps has completely lost, control of his household.
I'm not saying that production necessarily planned this, but I just thought that the placement of the riding crop was interesting in terms of the context of the scene he was holding it versus everything that happened after he put it down.
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Post by lemacd on Jul 31, 2019 16:20:19 GMT
This is just a thought because I have far too much time on my hands, and I've been thinking about this thread and the riding crop (but who doesn't think about the riding crop?). It's an interesting scene for him to hold the riding crop. A riding crop more or less would symbolize control in some sense. He holds it while he's walking with Elsa around the gardens. Elsa and the relationship he has with her is safe to him. He's able to go to her in Vienna and escape his life and the memories back home. In the eyes of society, they are a great match, and he brings her to his home allegedly with the intention of proposing marriage. In a sense, I gather that his relationship with Elsa is something that he feels in control of. It all seems rather straight forward - he's been courting her, he wants to give the children a mother, and so he thinks about taking the next step. Now, he puts the riding crop down when he begins to visibly look around around for the children, who we all know are not there. From there, it's a rather downwards spiral. He comes across Rolf who, being the little Nazi he is, reminds Georg of the unsteady political times they live in, and the fear that his country will cease to exist if the Anschluss happens, which he is unable to control, though he desperately wants to. Shortly after, his children capsize a boat and fall into a lake wearing drapes before he gets a dressing down from his children's governess. Whereas he had seemed to have control before, he seems to be reminded that he is rapidly losing his country, as well as he is losing, or perhaps has completely lost, control of his household. I'm not saying that production necessarily planned this, but I just thought that the placement of the riding crop was interesting in terms of the context of the scene he was holding it versus everything that happened after he put it down. This. Brilliant. |
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 9, 2019 12:34:13 GMT
This is just a thought because I have far too much time on my hands, and I've been thinking about this thread and the riding crop (but who doesn't think about the riding crop?). It's an interesting scene for him to hold the riding crop. A riding crop more or less would symbolize control in some sense. He holds it while he's walking with Elsa around the gardens. Elsa and the relationship he has with her is safe to him. He's able to go to her in Vienna and escape his life and the memories back home. In the eyes of society, they are a great match, and he brings her to his home allegedly with the intention of proposing marriage. In a sense, I gather that his relationship with Elsa is something that he feels in control of. It all seems rather straight forward - he's been courting her, he wants to give the children a mother, and so he thinks about taking the next step. Now, he puts the riding crop down when he begins to visibly look around around for the children, who we all know are not there. From there, it's a rather downwards spiral. He comes across Rolf who, being the little Nazi he is, reminds Georg of the unsteady political times they live in, and the fear that his country will cease to exist if the Anschluss happens, which he is unable to control, though he desperately wants to. Shortly after, his children capsize a boat and fall into a lake wearing drapes before he gets a dressing down from his children's governess. Whereas he had seemed to have control before, he seems to be reminded that he is rapidly losing his country, as well as he is losing, or perhaps has completely lost, control of his household. I'm not saying that production necessarily planned this, but I just thought that the placement of the riding crop was interesting in terms of the context of the scene he was holding it versus everything that happened after he put it down. Omigosh this is BRILLIANT and it makes me so so sad that I have been away from this forum. I came over here to read because lemacd told me it would be worth it! And as soon as I finish this darn story I will be a real citizen here I swear! Thanks meegmog! |
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) Sorry but must admit that I'm a fan of CP in uniform, open shirt buttons, and the riding crop... Oh if I ever had the nerve to combine those three elements in a fic.... o,O 
oh god hope me hubby will NEVER read this... he would NEVER understand 
