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Post by indigoblue on Feb 27, 2016 23:56:51 GMT
Okay, so when did each of the kids realise there was Something Going On between Georg and Maria? I assume Liesl would have been the first to notice something as she was the eldest, but Louisa was pretty canny about these sorts of things (?was it her who 'Notices Everything...'?). As for the boys - maybe they didn't suss anything at all ?!!  |
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Post by utility_singer on Feb 28, 2016 0:20:07 GMT
It is Brigitta that notices everything, and announces that Maria's "face is all red". In the stage version, she is the one that tells Maria she is in love with her father, and that he is in love with her as well---not Elsa.
Liesl clearly knows when he is questioning them about where they were during the 'blue strawberries' bit---"Where do you think we were, Father? If you don't believe us, you must have some idea of where we were" makes that crystal clear. She would likely have shared her suspicions with Louisa, and they'd all have talked about why they thought Maria left. Probably only Kurt was oblivious, lol. Too busy thinking about his next meal.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Feb 28, 2016 1:53:52 GMT
He couldn't hear them - his stomach was making noises.
Just kidding, but he probably was the oblivious one. Maybe the little ones didn't quite get it because they were, well, little, but I wouldn't call that the same as oblivious.
One way or another, I believe the oldest three girls knew
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Post by clarinetjamie on Feb 28, 2016 7:03:22 GMT
I think Brigitta notices when her father dances with Maria. Her mouth flies open in disbelief that Maria took his offered hand and began to dance with him and I think Liesl and Friedrich as well.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 29, 2016 0:02:10 GMT
Do you think any of them noticed anything during the Edelweiss scene? Liesl would have been in a good position to notice that G was looking at M rather than Elsa sometimes, and that M was looking pretty dreamy.
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Post by bloghey131313 on Feb 29, 2016 2:08:19 GMT
I feel like they didn't just because they were all so awe-struck in seeing their father sing for the first time in a while. If anyone were to notice, yes, it would definitely be Liesl! I think even she though was too enthralled with her father (and later singing with him) that she wasn't thinking about Maria vs Elsa...i don't know though
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Post by utility_singer on Feb 29, 2016 5:18:54 GMT
Do you think any of them noticed anything during the Edelweiss scene? Liesl would have been in a good position to notice that G was looking at M rather than Elsa sometimes, and that M was looking pretty dreamy. No, I agree with bloghey131313 and they were too awestruck that their father was actually singing again to notice that. They were completely spellbound, which is why none of them said anything when he was done, Max broke the moment. It was enough that Elsa noticed, and that Max noticed Elsa noticing. |
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Post by revcap on Mar 21, 2016 0:27:41 GMT
I think Louisa and Ffriedrich noticed something (they can tell by Maria's reaction).  |
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 19, 2020 23:08:28 GMT
Okay, so when did each of the kids realise there was Something Going On between Georg and Maria? I assume Liesl would have been the first to notice something as she was the eldest, but Louisa was pretty canny about these sorts of things (?was it her who 'Notices Everything...'?). As for the boys - maybe they didn't suss anything at all ?!! I think that all the children were very innocent and naive in such matters and did not grasp the vibes. They were also struck with surprise and absorbed by the radical change of their father and they admired him deeply. They also knew that their father had a relationship with the baroness. They were very happy playing and having fun with Maria, with all the new experiences that they shared with her. So I don't think they had any suspicions that Maria fell in love with their father, their father also with her. Their father in love is a concept totally unknown to them. Now about Liesl, since the captain did not believe the excuse about the berries picking, it is logical that Liesl hints that since you don't believe us, you obviously have something in mind, meaning that you know we went to the abbey to see her. (We wanted to tell her the news that we are going to have a new mother. ) Notice how sad the captain becomes after Liesl speaks to him...and he tries to be indifferent. Then Marta laughs and the captain notices it and pressures her to speak... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 10:51:32 GMT
I think that Brigitta or Liesl must have noticed something during Edelweiss. I know that Brigitta, Liesl and Friedrich definitely knew something was going on during the Laendler. Marta and Gretl probably didn't think anything had changed between them at that point. In fact, I (thought) I saw Gretl smiling as M took G's hand... I'll have to watch that part again. Louisa noticed after Maria came back and they had told her about G's engagement to the Baroness. I don't know when Kurt noticed. Obviously after that M and G got married, which I think was probably Brigitta/Liesl's suspicion of what would have happened from the beginning.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 23, 2020 14:32:20 GMT
I think the Laendler was a major turning point in (at least the older) children's suspicions. Up until this point, there have been looks and smiles, which likely the children were too naive to understand. Actually dancing together/touching each other would jump at them as something unusual.
I imagine all of them daydream about Maria staying forever, though likely they cast her in the role of their long term governess in these thoughts, and not as their mother. When Georg announces his engagement to Elsa, it seems like they were shocked that having a new mother was something that could ever even happen. I'm basing this on their expressions and Liesl's "a new mother?!?" line. Maybe they were just shocked that he picked Elsa.
Do they all know when she returns? Is this why they tell her so quickly about the engagement? Or are they just relaying the newest important happening in their lives without knowing how it will crush Maria?
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 23, 2020 16:45:47 GMT
I think the Laendler was a major turning point in (at least the older) children's suspicions. Up until this point, there have been looks and smiles, which likely the children were too naive to understand. Actually dancing together/touching each other would jump at them as something unusual. Exactly!! but unfortunately we do not have any scenes with Georg and Maria after with the children in order to discuss what are the possible reactions...It was also during the reception with a lot of loud music and guests around, so the attention of the children could be easily distracted. Maybe the 3 older children grasped the vibes but I think that they liked Maria so much and were glad that they had connected again with their father, so they did not grasp probably the vibes, they probably thought that their father also entered their plays and shared their joy with Maria. Also, the captain at the last hot point, had his back turned to his children and Maria was in front of him, and the light was dimmer in comparison with the fully lighted reception hall.... Brigitta came closer to their side and noticed Maria's red face. The baroness was already suspicious because she wanted him and she watched him constantly. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 23, 2020 19:19:16 GMT
I think the Laendler was a major turning point in (at least the older) children's suspicions. Up until this point, there have been looks and smiles, which likely the children were too naive to understand. Actually dancing together/touching each other would jump at them as something unusual. Exactly!! but unfortunately we do not have any scenes with Georg and Maria after with the children in order to discuss what are the possible reactions...It was also during the reception with a lot of loud music and guests around, so the attention of the children could be easily distracted. Maybe the 3 older children grasped the vibes but I think that they liked Maria so much and were glad that they had connected again with their father, so they did not grasp probably the vibes, they probably thought that their father also entered their plays and shared their joy with Maria. Also, the captain at the last hot point, had his back turned to his children and Maria was in front of him, and the light was dimmer in comparison with the fully lighted reception hall.... Brigitta came closer to their side and noticed Maria's red face. The baroness was already suspicious because she wanted him and she watched him constantly. I like how you describe the end of the Laendler as a "hot point"! There are many hot points in this movie for me, and this look they share here is definitely one of them! You are right, the kids couldn't see the look, but I think they did realize that something confusing was going on based on them stopping their dance and Maria looking embarrassed. I'm off to ponder more hot points.  |
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 23, 2020 20:22:59 GMT
I like how you describe the end of the Laendler as a "hot point"! There are many hot points in this movie for me, and this look they share here is definitely one of them! You are right, the kids couldn't see the look, but I think they did realize that something confusing was going on based on them stopping their dance and Maria looking embarrassed. I'm off to ponder more hot points. I used ''hot point'' in order to avoid a lot of words about that particular moment haha Something confusing yes definitely but they were going to sing goodbye and I think they would be thinking their songs more than the dance of M+G. Personally if I was one of the children I would be happy to see my father dancing with the governess with which we had so much fun and shared marvellous times of joy and playing. You know flirting looks like friendliness...the vibes of course are different but I think that in these ages you don't understand the difference. Also then there was no tv, children were more naive and innocent, and their environment is kind of sterilized, they are not peasant kids or local urchins. And they have the impression that their father is in a relationship with the baroness, the governess is just a servant. The red face of Maria can be attributed to her not being used to dancing (as Maria tried to save herself from the trouble) or the cold air of the evening (as the captain tried to make an excuse to Elsa for Maria's redness). For sure only the baroness grasped the sexual tension of the moment. Maybe Liesl also grasped some of the sexual air but I think that because she had a high image of her father, he was a hero, maybe her idol, she admired and respected him greatly, she could not imagine him as a lover, a man in love. Moreover the kids saw only his back and Maria was not seen by the children when they stopped as I wrote above.. |
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 24, 2020 10:57:22 GMT
Liesl certainly noticed (she was, after all, old enough to like a boy).
If you go through the screen shots during the Laendler you can see what each of the kids are thinking. It's been a while but I think Liesl and Friedrich share a look (at least I think it's them, it's been a while since I analyzed this).
The thing about kids is that they notice everything (thanks, Brigitta!) but they understand it at their own level.
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