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Post by reverendcaptain on Jun 25, 2020 13:43:44 GMT
I think he knows. He definitely seems like he knows about the pinecone. Oh I think he knows they’re not angelic and blameless but I think he doesn’t know, too ... why they are that way, what’s going on with them. Also since they have defeated him, he probably takes pleasure in watching them defeat someone else. This is an interesting theory. He secretly likes it when they run off a new governess because then he's not the only one on the receiving end of their venom? This would certainly add to his exasperation with Maria, since she seems to be winning them over in record time, all while challenging his authority at every turn.
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Post by indigoblue on Jun 29, 2020 23:17:06 GMT
Makes him sound quite controlling...except he can't be a bad case because he presumably loves it when Maria flounts his authority, which is why he falls in love with her. True controllers wouldn't like it one bit!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 20, 2020 13:37:47 GMT
Do you think Maria takes the curtains down the very next day (before her new ones arrive) to start making play clothes? It seems like she feels that getting playclothes on these kids is an emergency, so I'm thinking, yes. I wonder how long she is without curtains in her bedroom? I wonder how much help she has to enlist from the staff to get them down and to find materials (needles, thread, sewing machine, etc) to make this happen.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 28, 2020 23:10:24 GMT
I can't believe she has the audacity to remove the curtains before the new ones arrive - for one thing, it would leave her without privacy at night! Maybe she went on the hunt and a charm offensive for a sewing machine etc, and when she had amassed everything, the new curtains had arrived?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 6, 2020 14:41:49 GMT
What do you think of her slight smirk before she says "Only during thunderstorms, sir"? It is similar to her smirk with "Excuse me sir, I don't know your signal." It's like, not only is she disobeying his orders, but she is enjoying watching him squirm when she does it. Does she do this anywhere else? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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Post by indigoblue on Dec 7, 2020 14:34:06 GMT
She does it at several points at dinner, such as 'It's a secret, Captain between the children and me', although they have a number of digs at each other all through dinner - most of the time, it seems.
Actually, it's a clever thing to point out (her smirking), because I think she stops doing it after The Apology from him. After that,their relationship seems much straighter and more honest (whereas G&E's relationship becomes more convoluted).
So many lovely subtleties in this film, thanks for pointing it out!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Dec 9, 2020 17:13:40 GMT
I think the smirk is there with "and having a marvelous time" during the argument too. You are right about dinner, there are several in that scene also.
Up until The Apology (love how you capitalized this!), they are both trying to subtly (or sometimes not so subtly) get the other to act the way they want them to. And enjoying when the other is caught off guard. After The Apology, there is a mutual respect formed. They are a team working toward the same goal now, not individuals trying to get the other to see a different point of view. It is a major shift. And yes, you are right, their relationship is much more straightforward after this because they don't have to secretly try to get the other to act differently. They are openly trying to heal all members of the family.
And poor Elsa, she doesn't even know how to be direct with Georg, and him forming such a close relationship with the governess as she watches from the sidelines has to be very alarming for her.
It's all genius.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 7, 2021 20:58:16 GMT
What does he mean by "It's repetitious" after she asks him for material for the play clothes? Has she asked to for play clothes for the children earlier that day (that we don't see)? Is it just repetitious that she is not following instructions? Or repetitious that she wants the children to do things that he doesn't approve of?
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 9, 2021 23:11:40 GMT
He did give her some instructions in the hall as to how he wanted her to get the children marching, responding to whistles etc. So I think he considers her requests for extraneous things and her lack of discipline with the kids repetitious failures to stick to the rules. Very cold! I suppose he is concerned that he is about to depart for Vienna (?for a month), so maybe he is getting anxious about this.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 6, 2021 18:49:43 GMT
Has he ever been in the governess's room before this night? For someone who notices everything, he seems completely shocked that the kids' playclothes were made out of her drapes. They are a very "noticeable" pattern, in my opinion. I would think he would make that jump immediately when he saw them in clothes that he didn't recognize and with the knowledge that Maria can sew dresses. Though maybe he was too distracted to look around during the thunderstorm and hadn't really been in the room before so he didn't remember what the drapes looked like?
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 7, 2021 14:06:32 GMT
He gives that funny look in the car returning from Vienna when he realises that the kids in the trees are his; maybe he also caught a flash of the drapes they were in, so he was also shocked at what they were wearing then? But (not wanting to be sexist about this), would such a man remember the pattern of the drapes in a staff room? Or even if it was a guest room? I have my doubts...but maybe that niggling thought was what put him in such a stew on the terrace...
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 12, 2021 23:51:42 GMT
I don't think a man in his position would remember the drapes.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 13, 2021 18:44:54 GMT
Ok. I'll concede on the drapes. He doesn't seem to look anywhere except at Maria or the children during the thunderstorm scene. He definitely knows that those were his kids in the trees or he wouldn't have directly asked that question. He seems shocked when she says that she made the clothes out of her drapes though. He must not have figured that out yet.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 13, 2021 18:57:09 GMT
I love that Georg doesn't flinch when Maria is running/dancing towards him at full speed when he enters the room. She comes so close to plowing right into him! He actually looks like he is continuing to step forward even as she reaches him. What do you think his reaction would have been they had collided? He would probably be able to stand his ground and she would get flung backwards.
I also kind of love her "hello" after the kids scramble into their line. I think she pushes his buttons every opportunity she gets, and pretending that everyting is normal when clearly she is breaking every rule in the house is definitely pushing his buttons.
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 13, 2021 22:13:33 GMT
Oddly, if they had collided, I think he would have been embarrassed at the physical contact - particularly making contact with her front-on in her nightgown.
He might not have been able to look her in the eye after that, which would have changed how their exchange went, following on from there.
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Post by missisa on Nov 22, 2021 16:53:07 GMT
Is it just me or does Georg puff out his chest as he says good night to Maria? why?? Also why does he move closer to her when she's about to run into him? Going back to this, I would give something to know if these gestures are intentional (CP's acting) or completely accidental. Loved the theories of why G goes up to the room: I buy the one that the study was downstairs and he heard a lot of noise and he decided to enter knowing that his children were there, to put order. amazing.
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 26, 2021 18:22:49 GMT
Inspired by this thread I went back and watched this scene. It IS funny how he just strides right into the middle of the chaos. How she tries to save the moment with a cheeky, "hello," but quickly narrows her eyes in anger at him when he insults her. And how his eyes rove about the room while she babbles. She shuts up quickly when his gaze returns to her. How she pretends to mimic his commands when she orders the children back to bed. How, at first, when they are left alone, she is intimidated, but gets her back up about the play clothes. Also - I couldn't quite get the screenshot right - but when he has already turned to leave, and she calls him back about the clothes, he definitely looks her up and down! Whoever said he didn't check her out, missed this moment at around 53:12. (I tried to get a screencap but I can't).
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Post by missisa on Nov 26, 2021 18:58:39 GMT
Inspired by this thread I went back and watched this scene. It IS funny how he just strides right into the middle of the chaos. How she tries to save the moment with a cheeky, "hello," but quickly narrows her eyes in anger at him when he insults her. And how his eyes rove about the room while she babbles. She shuts up quickly when his gaze returns to her. How she pretends to mimic his commands when she orders the children back to bed. How, at first, when they are left alone, she is intimidated, but gets her back up about the play clothes. Also - I couldn't quite get the screenshot right - but when he has already turned to leave, and she calls him back about the clothes, he definitely looks her up and down! Whoever said he didn't check her out, missed this moment at around 53:12. (I tried to get a screencap but I can't). Absolutely! I think you mean this (see attachment). hahaha Attachments:
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 27, 2021 0:10:50 GMT
Wish he'd do that to me.
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Post by galan on Nov 27, 2021 3:33:51 GMT
Inspired by this thread I went back and watched this scene. It IS funny how he just strides right into the middle of the chaos. How she tries to save the moment with a cheeky, "hello," but quickly narrows her eyes in anger at him when he insults her. And how his eyes rove about the room while she babbles. She shuts up quickly when his gaze returns to her. How she pretends to mimic his commands when she orders the children back to bed. How, at first, when they are left alone, she is intimidated, but gets her back up about the play clothes. Also - I couldn't quite get the screenshot right - but when he has already turned to leave, and she calls him back about the clothes, he definitely looks her up and down! Whoever said he didn't check her out, missed this moment at around 53:12. (I tried to get a screencap but I can't). Cheese and rice, it's amazing how many times you can watch this movie and not see everything. And the comments above about them just barely avoiding a collision, makes one wonder...Always one for the "tweak one thing and prove the butterfly effect" sort of thing. Hmm...
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 27, 2021 11:40:59 GMT
Oh yes!! missisa thank you!!! Inspired by this thread I went back and watched this scene. It IS funny how he just strides right into the middle of the chaos. How she tries to save the moment with a cheeky, "hello," but quickly narrows her eyes in anger at him when he insults her. And how his eyes rove about the room while she babbles. She shuts up quickly when his gaze returns to her. How she pretends to mimic his commands when she orders the children back to bed. How, at first, when they are left alone, she is intimidated, but gets her back up about the play clothes. Also - I couldn't quite get the screenshot right - but when he has already turned to leave, and she calls him back about the clothes, he definitely looks her up and down! Whoever said he didn't check her out, missed this moment at around 53:12. (I tried to get a screencap but I can't). Absolutely! I think you mean this (see attachment). hahaha
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 30, 2021 14:34:33 GMT
Just thought I'd slip this in here so we can examine that critical collision of minds...click to enjoy! [ augiesannie , you are welcome to delete this when everyone has seen it].
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Post by missisa on Nov 30, 2021 14:38:18 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button>Just thought I'd slip this in here so we can examine that critical collision of minds... [ augiesannie , you are welcome to delete this when everyone has seen it]. Loved it. What a moment!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 14, 2022 19:16:41 GMT
I was thinking about the changes in Maria's demeanor in this scene. When the children are there, so is all smirks and quick comments. Once they leave, she grabs her robe (which we've talked about), but also, her next two responses are just silent nods of her head. Her expression during these nods is...I don't know what...Nervous? Unsure? What happened to the sassy fraulein from a moment ago? Why is she suddenly intimidated by him when we haven't seen that from her before? Of course, her outspokenness gets the best of her with the playclothes request and then she is back to normal Maria after that.
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Post by dontevenknowher on Sept 29, 2022 4:07:08 GMT
I think some of her sudden reticence is she perhaps employs some bravado in front of the children. Whether it’s to show them she isn’t scared or going to back down to their father, or to be the “shield” they need in this moment when he is so clearly displeased, I’m not sure. Perhaps it’s also to show them she will stand up for them. Or maybe even it’s just because their presence gives her the courage to be more flippant with him because she doesn’t believe he’ll snap in front of his children. But I think when the children leave, she realizes she and the Captain have no buffer (hence the robe), and she quite possibly could be about to receive a rather stern talking to.
And, completely out of left field, and probably much more suited to the fic verse, perhaps in their near collision, she picked up on the fact that the Captain has had a few after dinner beverages (as I remember was discussed elsewhere in this forum). Given that they don’t know each other very well still, perhaps she detects some alcohol in play, and decides to draw his displeasure solely to her so as to protect the children, as she doesn’t yet know how far he’ll go in anger. This is, of course, wildly speculative and as I said, probably much more of the fic realm, but was something that occurred to me just before I hit “create post”
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 29, 2022 23:57:35 GMT
That's a really good point: a widower who has retired to the solitude of his library to read and drown his sorrows by downing a brandy or two...or three.
Then some thumping sounds as they jump about, and he's up there in an alcohol-fuelled bout of annoyance. This would explain the reason why he seems particularly furious and unyielding, which Maria soon picks up: maybe the reason she becomes more deferential is because she is genuinely scared of him, and the whiff of alcohol waves red flags for her and the kids? Perhaps they have had experience of his bad humour in this situation before?
It did occur to me that maybe the reason Georg seems to advance towards her at the point of near-impact (I nearly said 'bring himself up hard against her'...oops! no...maybe not...) is because (thinking Freudian) in his inebriated state, he would subconsciously like to collide with her? But even that seems a little too undisciplined for our buttoned-up Captain. I'll go for alcohol propelling his anger and a simple mistiming giving them a closer inspection of each other than either were quite expecting.
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Post by missisa on Oct 2, 2022 20:05:36 GMT
what a great thoughts by dontevenknowher indigoblue reverendcaptainI think that Maria's silence or few words when the Captain arrives is due to several things: the first, simply surprise and embarrassment at being caught singing and in night clothes. We'd all be a little speechless with embarrassment at first. The second: she is working out a strategy in her head to ask him for more cloth, she has been thinking about it since she spoke with FS shortly before and she knows that it is the last chance to ask him before he leaves for Vienna. The third: she is speechless because of his sex appeal, come on, he appears wearing a smoking jacket and that wavy hair, no matter how much of a nun she is, it cannot be overlooked, no sir! I love the reasons that you expose here about her reaction that derives from a fear of a somewhat drunk Captain, but I honestly thinks there is more Plummer than Von Trapp in that theory: surely she would be getting the children out of the hook whether or not she had noticed alcohol in their father.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 11, 2023 0:22:51 GMT
No 3. Def.
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Post by MeltIntoSpring on Jan 14, 2023 23:02:06 GMT
The third: she is speechless because of his sex appeal, come on, he appears wearing a smoking jacket and that wavy hair, no matter how much of a nun she is, it cannot be overlooked, no sir! Number 3 for sure
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Post by Chris&Byng on Apr 15, 2023 0:48:29 GMT
# Three all the way!
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