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Post by bloghey131313 on Mar 16, 2016 2:52:12 GMT
Is it just me or does Georg puff out his chest as he says good night to Maria? why??
Also why does he move closer to her when she's about to run into him?
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Post by rippershipper on Mar 16, 2016 3:04:17 GMT
It's not just you. He totally does it. It's definitely a moment of "Ah, yes, look at my manly chest, crazy, but somehow super attractive woman I just met. That is a chest of someone who is totally in control of his hormones right now." At least, that's how I see it. ;P
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Post by utility_singer on Mar 16, 2016 11:57:13 GMT
Hoping she'll actually bump into him so he can find out what's underneath that nightgown? I mean, he totally checked her out in the ugly dress, so....
And yes, he puffs himself up, pretending she hasn't completely rattled him (again) and that he doesn't find her defiance in standing up to him crazy sexy.
Not that he realizes any of that at this point, it is all just man-hormones-on-automatic.
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 16, 2016 14:47:34 GMT
Anyone in their nightclothes will feel more vulnerable if there is someone present in smart eveningwear (especially a velvet smoking jacket), so maybe it is his natural instinct to accentuate that difference to assert his authority when he says "Yes, and I am their father" [as well as wondering whether she has got anything at all on underneath her nightdress]...
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Post by lemacd on Mar 17, 2016 9:29:19 GMT
she was whizzing all around the room. perhaps he stepped into her path to get her to stop... in my mind, he's always stood in the door watching for a half minute, kind of like the ballroom, observing and possibly too flabbergasted to move at first. Not sure about the chest puff thing. i like @indigoblue's interpretation... that he is asserting his authority.
i do not think he was leering and trying to sneak a peek.
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Post by utility_singer on Mar 17, 2016 11:10:43 GMT
I don't think anyone said he was "leering" or "sneaking a peek", but he is a man, after all. ;-)
I went through the screencaps, and he doesn't check her out as he did downstairs, but it is instead glaringly obvious that he is either making full eye contact with her or, conversely, avoiding looking at her entirely. Certainly gives their interaction an edginess.
We don't see him until she nearly collides with him, and it is only one frame before that when she notices he's in the doorway, so he could have been there for a moment watching.
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 17, 2016 14:33:23 GMT
Something I love about this scene is how still CP is, contrasting with everyone moving when he enters the room; he continues in this manner throughout, and it is so effective at conveying his authority, disapproval, separateness, discipline,coldness....the list goes on. The contrast with the swirly nightclothes (even when the kids are in a line) of his smooth, straight brown velvet smoking jacket and his lack of gestures makes this scene mesmerising. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 17, 2016 23:28:17 GMT
I suppose, leading on from that, it is such a contrast to see him dancing so beautifully in the Laendler scene, being a complete change to his habitual 'buttoned-up', still state seen in other parts of the film.
Julie, having been flamboyant from the beginning, just carries on dancing, true to nature, but actually seems to slow down and get less extrovert as the film progresses.
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Post by utility_singer on Mar 18, 2016 2:11:03 GMT
I suppose, leading on from that, it is such a contrast to see him dancing so beautifully in the Laendler scene, being a complete change to his habitual 'buttoned-up', still state seen in other parts of the film. Julie, having been flamboyant from the beginning, just carries on dancing, true to nature, but actually seems to slow down and get less extrovert as the film progresses. Yes, and when they return from the honeymoon the difference in both of them-----she is so much more mature and subdued, he is far more relaxed, in the more casual suit and the hair that is just begging for her fingers to run through it... |
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Post by clarinetjamie on Mar 18, 2016 6:12:49 GMT
I have to agree with the he's asserting his authority position. I think it's more him standing up tall and making a point of trying to intimidate her rather than look at me and how manly I am (although we all know he is). At this point in the game neither of them is thinking in terms of how they look and present themselves to each other. It doesn't work though, it just makes her more frustrated with how im.
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Post by utility_singer on Mar 18, 2016 10:41:11 GMT
Yes, and that is why I said above that he isn't aware of it.
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 24, 2016 0:38:52 GMT
I love the idea that he's been standing there, for a moment (or longer). Also I think it's sweet that she clutches her robe to her chest, as though anyone could see under that nightgown (I am not in the school of he's checking her out, I'm just making a point about her modesty). I love so many of these comments but a special shout out to indigoblue for really capturing CP's understated acting. Yet again I am forced to point out that he did such a great job even though he hated making the movie! |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 28, 2019 17:01:14 GMT
So, I can see that I'm WAY late to the party here, but how do you think the captain knows that the children are not in bed? I know they are singing loudly, but Maria’s room is in the staff wing of the house, and since there are windows on 2 sides, she is the corner room. This would make her literally at the opposite end of the house as Georg (assuming the master suite is also a corner room in the family wing). Maybe it is not late enough for him to be in his room (and he’s in his study?) and he hears the thunderous footsteps of his children from one end of the house to the other and goes to investigate?
It is also strange to me that the governess is so far away from the children. I understand that she is “the help” and therefore wouldn’t be staying in the family wing of the house. But are the children really supposed to go out of their rooms, down the hall, down one staircase, up another, and all the way down the other hall just to get to their governess if they need her in the night? I'm sure they are not supposed to need her in the night, but clearly they do. And she is the 12th governess, so it would be safe to assume they have had a governess for years. Gretl could have easily been a baby, and would wake up and cry in the night. How would this work if the caretaker is on the opposite side of the house?
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Post by andhereweare on Aug 28, 2019 17:55:51 GMT
A few thoughts:
1) I've always thought that the sea captain in him is still coming out because when's he's home he makes a final inspection of the house before turning in (when he's capable of doing so, of course).
2) I know in TSOM FF people often have no problem moving the governess' room over to the other side of the house, because a lot of us have the same types of thoughts that you expressed. I wonder, though, if having the two staircases was an intentional set design. It physically shows that Maria is indeed an employee, not a member of the family. Then when she comes the Baroness and can officially move over to the other wing of the house as a family member that privilege is taken away from her when they have to flee. She is therefore going to be reinvented another time, into a refugee, along with the family she just acquired.
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 28, 2019 23:48:38 GMT
Another possibility which occurred to me, having done a floor plan of the villa (in the Artwork section under Floor Plans), is that his study is directly underneath Maria's room, and he heard the patter of plenty of footsteps above; his arrival would coincide with soon after they begin to dance on the floor in her room.
[The Captain strides off across the hall when they return from their honeymoon, away from Max and Maria, to an unknown room, which I have assumed is his study].
The only explanation I have for Maria being the other side of the house is that she is not the nanny, but the Governess, so perhaps he was not expecting her to do night duty? Also, as she is actually a nun, maybe he is treating her as a sort of guest, rather than nursing staff? Maybe there are other staff (who we do not see), who care for the children, hence how they turn up for dinner looking immaculate despite the fact that she is late and had no time to help them!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 29, 2019 0:43:46 GMT
Oh my gosh @indigoblue! Your floorplans are amazing! They answer so many questions for me! Fabulous work!  |
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Post by Supercali on Aug 29, 2019 3:53:31 GMT
Maybe he came to her room to emphasize the rules again before his leaving since she didn't look that....reliable. And secretly he might expected to watch her being scared by some spiders underneath the blanket, as now we all know, he had known his children's pranks and also had enjoyed the moment of Maria sitting on the ridiculous pine cone.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 29, 2019 13:19:01 GMT
According to indigoblue’s floorplans (which I LOVE), the Laendler Terrace is just below and to the side of Maria’s bedroom. We don’t see any trellis or anything to climb in the Laendler scene, but maybe there is one on the other side of the hedges? Also, have you noticed that Liesl is not climbing directly from a trellis into the window? She appears to walk a few steps so maybe there is a landing of some sort on the roof?
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 29, 2019 22:45:25 GMT
Glad you like them, RevCapt! That's just what they are for.
I always assumed that Liesl climbed up to a window on the front of the house as it may have been nearer the gazebo - but I have to admit I hadn't thought carefully about it, and also I don't think there is anything to climb up there either.
It has occurred to me that it would not have been acceptable for the Captain to turn up at a young female visitor's bedroom at night, children or no children. Accepted that the frisson it creates makes the film fizz, but I'm sure in real life he would have got someone else to do it - Frau Schmidt?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 30, 2019 15:54:44 GMT
Interesting indigoblue. You are probably right. It would have been scandalous for the master of the house to ever be in a female employee’s bedroom. Although, maybe since he knew his children were in there too (and HAD to restore order since his undisciplined governess was not following his commands), he thought it would be ok. He was careful to leave the door open and only take a few steps into the room. Then was ready to leave as soon as the children were out (and he reminded her of her shortcomings). So I guess he felt this could easily be explained/justified if anyone questioned it?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 22, 2020 20:25:07 GMT
It's funny to me that Maria feels the need to cover herself with her robe after the children leave her room. I get that it is not appropriate to be in your nightgown in front of your employer, but it is a very modest nightgown! It isn't thin or revealing (actually the dress the poor didn't want it more form fitting than this nightgown). So, why the rush to cover up? Is it because the children are gone and so now she feels more vulnerable? Is it just that modest nuns don't let other adults see them in their nightgowns? I'm sure the captain bought her some more...um...sophisticated nightgowns for the honeymoon. Scratch that, no night clothes were needed or packed for either of them.  |
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Post by ANeedlePullingThread on Jan 23, 2020 0:39:19 GMT
It's funny to me that Maria feels the need to cover herself with her robe after the children leave her room. I get that it is not appropriate to be in your nightgown in front of your employer, but it is a very modest nightgown! It isn't thin or revealing (actually the dress the poor didn't want it more form fitting than this nightgown). So, why the rush to cover up? Is it because the children are gone and so now she feels more vulnerable? Is it just that modest nuns don't let other adults see them in their nightgowns? I'm sure the captain bought her some more...um...sophisticated nightgowns for the honeymoon. Scratch that, no night clothes were needed or packed for either of them. Him in that smoking jacket too. I would have acquired a lot more than discipline at that moment... |
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 29, 2020 23:01:01 GMT
I would have been happy for him to keep that delicious smoking jacket on all night on his honeymoon...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 25, 2020 18:57:08 GMT
Does Georg know that Liesl was outside with Rolf? He could probably guess that she was outside since her hair was all wet, unless she just took a shower. Does he know about Rolf?? When Rolf is throwing rocks at the window in a later scene, Georg asks him "Who are you?". Was this just to be intimidating? Or does Georg have no idea who he is at that point?
I love that Maria covers for Liesl and does so in a way that the captain can't keep pressing for answers. He has to be confused as to why she covered for the kids at dinner after they obviously played a trick on her, why she blatantly disobeyed the rules to comfort them during the storm, and why she covered up for Liesl who could not have been getting to know Maria better if she were outside or taking a shower. She has him off balance, and he is probably happy to be escaping to Vienna.
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 25, 2020 19:23:38 GMT
Does Georg know that Liesl was outside with Rolf? He could probably guess that she was outside since her hair was all wet, unless she just took a shower. Does he know about Rolf?? When Rolf is throwing rocks at the window in a later scene, Georg asks him "Who are you?". Was this just to be intimidating? Or does Georg have no idea who he is at that point? I think that G does not know about Rolf and Liesl's flirting. But he surely knows-has suspicions that Liesl is flirting with somebody, otherwise he would not pressure her so strictly. I suppose he has seen Rolf as the telegram boy, not that he knows him personally. Also Liesl was the one who asked Franz who brought the telegram and then said to G if she may be excused from dinner. It is easy for the captain to conclude what has happened. I do not think that he thinks she has showered her hair because the hair is only brushed. When women at that time washed their hair, they had after certain ways of making them, they did not stroll around the rooms like that. Also the night gown is not her own, it is Maria's. I believe that there must be a difference between the night gown of Liesl and Maria, it cannot be of the same quality. Ok I watched again that scene...Maria's night gown that Liesl wears has longer sleeves and is simpler that the gowns of the rest of the girls. So the most logical is that Georg understood that Liesl was strolling around the garden until the rain began. |
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 28, 2020 21:45:39 GMT
Glad you like them, RevCapt! That's just what they are for. I always assumed that Liesl climbed up to a window on the front of the house as it may have been nearer the gazebo - but I have to admit I hadn't thought carefully about it, and also I don't think there is anything to climb up there either. It has occurred to me that it would not have been acceptable for the Captain to turn up at a young female visitor's bedroom at night, children or no children. Accepted that the frisson it creates makes the film fizz, but I'm sure in real life he would have got someone else to do it - Frau Schmidt? Let's imagine that there was a movable stair that Liesl used in order to get into the governess's room. Otherwise there was nothing on the external wall of the villa to use so as to go up. It must be on the 1st or 2nd floor because Maria tells her ''how in the world did you climb up here?'' I think he heard the loud noise and the kids screaming, laughing, singing and went himself to check what was going on and who went against his rules for discipline and order at home. The bedrooms of the children and the captain must be on one side whereas the bedrooms of the servants and Maria's must be on the other side. My scenario is that he was in the library reading and he was heading for his room when he heard the noise and went to see what is going on. Maria is not a visitor, she resides there as an employee. So it is not weird for the master of the house to pay a short visit when something seems wrong. Also Maria's door was wide open, all were singing, jumping, dancing, and the captain just rushed into the room to find out why they do not obey his orders. He did not accuse the children but the governess...And about Liesl, now I believe that he immediately knew she was strolling around the garden with somebody. Otherwise he would not be so straightforwarldly sharp. If he did not have suspicions, there were many alternatives as to what Liesl was doing, for example she could have gone to her room to read, rest, she may not felt well or got sick, or whatever. Also I am thinking now who showers his hair after dinner? usually first we take our bath and after we eat. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 1, 2020 14:05:42 GMT
My current theory on Liesl getting into Maria's room is that she climbed up the Laendler hedges to some sort of ledge. Then walked the ledge over to Maria's window. She looks like she is coming at the window from that direction before she climbs in. We were talking about this over in the floor plans thread a while back. I'm still not sure how she got so dirty. Maybe hosting herself up onto a dusty ledge while she was wet got mud all over her?
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Post by indigoblue on Jun 22, 2020 23:06:06 GMT
I wonder how much the Captain actually knows about the kids' tricks? When Maria arrives and asks him in the hall "What is wrong with the children?", he replies there is nothing wrong with them at all. Does he think they are angelic and blameless?
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Post by sillywhistle on Jun 23, 2020 0:16:54 GMT
I wonder how much the Captain actually knows about the kids' tricks? When Maria arrives and asks him in the hall "What is wrong with the children?", he replies there is nothing wrong with them at all. Does he think they are angelic and blameless? I think he knows. He definitely seems like he knows about the pinecone. |
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Post by augiesannie on Jun 24, 2020 10:19:38 GMT
I wonder how much the Captain actually knows about the kids' tricks? When Maria arrives and asks him in the hall "What is wrong with the children?", he replies there is nothing wrong with them at all. Does he think they are angelic and blameless? I think he knows. He definitely seems like he knows about the pinecone. Oh I think he knows they’re not angelic and blameless but I think he doesn’t know, too ... why they are that way, what’s going on with them. Also since they have defeated him, he probably takes pleasure in watching them defeat someone else. |
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