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Post by lemacd on Aug 22, 2017 3:59:44 GMT
What is Maria thinking? Is she scared or ashamed or preparing her defense?
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Post by clarinetjamie on Aug 22, 2017 6:31:34 GMT
She's nervous. She thinks she's in trouble for going outside the walls of the Abbey. That's why she rushes in and starts confessing right away.
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 22, 2017 23:40:10 GMT
I think she is thinking about...her Favourite Things!
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Post by lemacd on Aug 23, 2017 2:15:11 GMT
I just wonder if she has a little niggling thought in the back of her mind that she doesn't belong there. I know she thinks she does, but I wonder if in moments like this, when she's just spent a great day outside the Abbey only to return to be reprimanded for it, if she wonders. So I imagine there is fear, not for being in trouble, she's used to that. Fear that something she wants so much might be slipping through her fingers.
Maybe.
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Aug 23, 2017 3:02:12 GMT
I just wonder if she has a little niggling thought in the back of her mind that she doesn't belong there. I know she thinks she does, but I wonder if in moments like this, when she's just spent a great day outside the Abbey only to return to be reprimanded for it, if she wonders. So I imagine there is fear, not for being in trouble, she's used to that. Fear that something she wants so much might be slipping through her fingers. Maybe. ^^^ yes to all of this. Especially when she says to the Reverend Mother, "I try and I'm learning - I really am." Also, the lyrics to "Sound of Music" are quite telling. She goes to the hills when she feels lonely and it fills her heart to be out there in the world. She's definitely nervous, but I don't think it's just because she thinks she's in trouble. The way she says that she kisses the floor when she sees Sister Berthe to save time so getting reprimanded doesn't seem to be something that bothers her overly. I know the RM is a much more important figure than old mate Berthe but still. I dunno, I'm just spouting nonsense. But it could be good nonsense, who knows.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 23, 2017 4:51:08 GMT
nonsense that makes sense. I especially like what you said about the lyrics... she goes out of the abbey when her heart is lonely. that should have told her that the abbey life wasn't for her. but maybe she figures she would feel lonely anywhere, and the abbey is where she feels the least lonely. she doesn't see it but she wants to be a nun, not because it's where she belongs but because it's the safest. finding your life = risking disappointment and heartbreak. as an orphan, she had enough of that already.
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Aug 23, 2017 5:24:43 GMT
Yeah that is true, I guess she is just struggling to find a place to belong and the abbey is the closest she has ever come to that. She would definitely be trying her best to make it work so she felt like she had a place to belong.
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 25, 2017 22:37:17 GMT
I should think also that, once you have retreated into a convent, it is very easy to feel you have no qualifications/experience to meet the challenges of outside life or hold down a job, and the longer you are there the worse this gets. How long has Maria been a novice there? I imagine perhaps a year, which isn't too long, but I can see that with longer periods this can get acute.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 26, 2017 0:59:27 GMT
I should think also that, once you have retreated into a convent, it is very easy to feel you have no qualifications/experience to meet the challenges of outside life or hold down a job, and the longer you are there the worse this gets. How long has Maria been a novice there? I imagine perhaps a year, which isn't too long, but I can see that with longer periods this can get acute. In the case of Maria, she did go to the teacher's college so she has qualifications. I would think that TPTB could have found her post somewhere as a teacher. And suddenly I have a fic idea of them letting her take her vows so they can send her to some remote mission outpost as a teacher. And let those poor nuns deal with her. oh dear... I almost hate when that happens. But I do agree that you start to form a sense of self that belongs only in a cloistered/removed community and gradually lose the part of you that copes in the wild, so to speak. Like people in a prison for a length of time start to wish they didn't have to be paroled because who knows what it is like out there now...
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Post by augiesannie on Sept 4, 2017 17:00:51 GMT
This discussion re-raises in my mind the question of why she was there in the first place. Loving God, I get that, wanting to serve HIm, but really? Especially since she did apparently have other options. The one time I wrote about this, I had her chalk it up to being the kind of person who never does things halfway. I think the point about losing confidence if she's been cloistered there for a while is smart, indigoblue
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Post by millie on Sept 8, 2017 21:39:21 GMT
I think I read somewhere that the real Maria had a lonely childhood or was orphaned or something which made her alone. In those days, it was fine to enter the convent and seek one"s self with focused attention on the guidance of the Lord. In the beginning, they will be called postulants and novices , not yet nuns. They go through the novitiate period because that is the time they will really assess if they are for the nunnery or not...The habit or costume of Maria in the film shows that she was still a novice.
it is really a romantic story ...after she met the Captain...I think the real Maria and the Captain remained strong Catholics after they got married.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 11, 2020 13:45:09 GMT
What is being depicted on the wall mural behind Maria in this picture? Is that Jesus's body being taken down from the cross? I often wonder why some people/places choose to show religious art that is positive and triumphant, while others choose the more gruesome aspects to depict. I guess what is gruesome is all in what you are used to. I overheard a conversation once about crucifix hanging in someone's kids's room and one person way saying "You have a statue of someone who is tortured and dying hanging in your baby's bedroom?!" and the other person said, "Yes, we have several in our house. He is our savior." It was an interesting conversation. In an abbey, I suppose you want to be reminded more of the sacrifice made so giant art of this nature is more normal than it would be in other places.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 11, 2020 14:11:55 GMT
Just for comparison sake, take a look at this screencap. The next time we see Maria alone and waiting, she is in the ballroom. Quite a different backdrop. These pictures show people dressed in fancy clothes and dancing. While Maria stood still and waited nervously outside RM's office, she's wandering around the house and ready to dance with an invisible partner here. True, she thought she was in trouble while waiting for RM, and didn't think long enough to consider that this might get her in trouble here. Still, our surroundings influence our behavior. Attachments:
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 11, 2020 22:12:32 GMT
I think it is interesting how the screencap of Maria in the Abbey shows her so dwarfed by the mural that she seems very small and insignificant- deliberate, I'm sure.
I seem to remember that, if you look carefully at the paintings in the ballroom behind Elsa and Max talking together, a couple of them show ladies without much on at all!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 19, 2020 15:27:51 GMT
You are right! Maybe it was a combination of how grand the ballroom was and also the content of the artwork that had Maria overwhelmed upon walking in this room. Attachments:
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 19, 2020 22:11:09 GMT
Yes, she was looking at the walls when she was in the ballroom...imagine having a sheltered upbringing, getting used to life in the Abbey, then being sent to a house with reclining nudes on such very public display. She must have wondered what sort of person the Captain was; all the more shocking when he slammed open the doors. Do you think he knew this, which explains why he was relatively restrained when he said that there were rooms in the house which were not to be disturbed?
Maybe when she was looking at him in the hall 'that way', she was wondering whether he was a rather lascivious sort of person? Was this why he was rather coy, saying "Why do you look at me that way?" And her response (all she could think of in a hurry) was "You don't look very like a sea captain, Sir"?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 25, 2020 20:23:55 GMT
"Why do you stare at me that way?" is a self conscious thing to say. I've never thought it was because he was afraid about what his postulant governess thought about the nude pics in his ballroom before though. haha. I'm going to have to re-watch this scene through this lens!
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 26, 2020 22:55:00 GMT
Could put a very different slant on things!
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