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Post by lemacd on Oct 3, 2017 3:06:04 GMT
This cap was going to happen. It's quite possibly my most favorite moment in the whole movie. I wonder why... I digress. This is the first moment Maria (and the audience) sees Captain von Trapp. His face is a bit shadowed but his actions and body language pretty much lets us know how he feels about trespassers. It's enough for Maria to scamper her little postulance out of there. The conversation that follows sets the tone for the start of their relationship. What do we learn about him and his character at this point? How do these things hinder him in his life? Do they also serve him well?
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 4, 2017 16:19:10 GMT
I just love the way he says nothing and steps aside with a look of irritation, KNOWING that Maria will scuttle past, back to the hall.
He must have such an enormous, innate sense of authority to do that (no doubt cultivated in the Navy, but also from his family background).
It would have served him well in the atmosphere he had created at home, full of military discipline, but obviously that quality doesn't auger well in personal relationships, as we see...
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Post by lemacd on Oct 4, 2017 21:47:23 GMT
I love it, too! And that look is very similar to the ones he might give his children for stepping out of line. That's a bit telling. This intimidation tactic definitely seems to be ingrained from his military career. It works for him when he deals with Zeller (at the party, as they try to escape), with Rolfe in the Abbey. He doesn't really use it on Elsa, though she does seem intimidated when she snickers at Maria after she fell out of the boat and seems to shrink a bit when he rips a bit into Rolfe for his Nazi saluting. It doesn't really work on Maria, though. I mean, sure she scampers out of the ballroom but she never really seems afraid of him. She even blows the whistle at him. It really throws him, that double take! LOL In the end, his cool attitude gets his family out of Austria so I think it's a good quality. But when it came to personal relationships, like indigoblue said, it didn't serve him well at all.
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Post by absurdlittlebird on Oct 5, 2017 3:31:39 GMT
What do we learn about him and his character at this point? How do these things hinder him in his life? Do they also serve him well? I loveeee this cap also! I'm so glad you chose it. As you have both said I think in this single shot this quickly shows the audience quite a lot of his character. He is a man that is well aware of the authority he exudes. He is used to always being in command, always being in control, always being obeyed, most especially in the areas of his own domain- such as his home! That's why he doesn't have to say a single word. He is sure beyond a doubt that his look and posture alone are menacing enough that he hardly believes it could be possible for this tiny girl to possibly misinterpret his feelings in finding her prancing around in the ballroom. He is equally sure that his look alone will be menacing enough to get her to rectify her transgression immediately without a word from him. As you guys have said this quality gives him a lot of power and serves him very professionally/publically but on a personal level this element of his character I'd say is much more problematic. I think the self-awareness he has of the authority he exudes and the knowledge he has of the fear he can instill in those around him provides him with an emotional shield in his personal life, in a similar way that sarcasm and his dark humour does. I think throughout the film he often uses his ability to intimidate (particularly with the children) as a sort of emotional buffer, so that he doesn't have to deal with certain feelings. So that's not such a good quality but also a reason why he ends up being such a great match with Maria. Because she very quickly loses her fear of him and is unafraid to stand up to him when he's being pig-headed.
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Post by absurdlittlebird on Oct 5, 2017 3:32:39 GMT
Also we more plainly learn from this cap that the captain is a fine speciman of a man who is always impeccably dressed
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Oct 5, 2017 8:44:13 GMT
YES! Also, can we just thank Ernest Lehman for writing this scene and his first appearance like this? In the musical it's very different and this is so much better, simply because we're seeing it at the same time as Maria.
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 5, 2017 23:59:03 GMT
His authoritative style just doesn't work on Maria because she doesn't respond to it with deference, and after a while he realises that she is a happier soul than he as well.
So eventually he has to try a different tack - that of dealing with her as an equal...et voila!
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 6, 2017 22:38:19 GMT
Despite all this chat about authoritarianism, I've always thought his question "Why do you look at me that way?" belies a chink of insecurity - maybe this is what encouraged Maria to stand up for herself?
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Post by clarinetjamie on Oct 8, 2017 5:36:31 GMT
I see in his posture that he has a lot of pride. He carries himself well and has that I'm in charge kind of attitude. A man that might be a bit impatient and also does not deal well with insubordination and isn't keen on snooping postulants. You also see the first glimpses into a man with a troubled soul, no smiling and no nonsense attitude.
His pride and air of authority serves him well when standing up for his ideals against the Nazi's. He doesn't back down easily (except with Maria who he develops a weak spot for).
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Post by clarinetjamie on Oct 8, 2017 5:41:03 GMT
Despite all this chat about authoritarianism, I've always thought his question "Why do you look at me that way?" belies a chink of insecurity - maybe this is what encouraged Maria to stand up for herself? I wonder if he feels self conscious because he gets the feeling she might see something that goes deeper inside him that he's all but hidden away from everyone and it startled him a bit to have someone stare at him with such intensity as if she could see right through him. It might make him, even if just for a brief second, feel uncomfortable.
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Post by lemacd on Oct 8, 2017 7:46:58 GMT
I think he asks why she's looking at him that way because NO one has looked at him that way. Ever. Already she's set him back on his heels
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 12, 2017 22:11:52 GMT
This screencap reminds me of a comment which was posted on the last TSOM forum: that the Captain's clothes let him down because they are not cut well enough. A man of his background, military and socially, would have worn bespoke suits which would have fitted him like a glove. Other scenes which were picked out to demonstrate this were the scene where Maria returns from the abbey and he is standing on the steps of the villa ("Good evening"), and in the gazebo. Personally, I think that last one is fine, but what do you think?
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Post by absurdlittlebird on Oct 13, 2017 1:14:27 GMT
This screencap reminds me of a comment which was posted on the last TSOM forum: that the Captain's clothes let him down because they are not cut well enough. A man of his background, military and socially, would have worn bespoke suits which would have fitted him like a glove. Other scenes which were picked out to demonstrate this were the scene where Maria returns from the abbey and he is standing on the steps of the villa ("Good evening"), and in the gazebo. Personally, I think that last one is fine, but what do you think? Do you mean that they didn't fit him well enough? If so... I don't think that was intentional. I think they meant for his clothes to fit him impeccably. It just so happened that Christopher Plummer had a penchant for schnapps and pastries that made the job of costuming him quite difficult
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Post by lemacd on Oct 13, 2017 2:41:56 GMT
I think he looks quite fine. I think wardrobe issues are probably mostly to blame on alcohol, etc like absurdlittlebird stated. But it's an interesting idea.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Oct 13, 2017 8:49:00 GMT
Maybe it's also the screencap - when his arms are stretched out the jacket seems tight in a way it wouldn't when his arms are by his sides. Also, yeah, the schnapps.
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 15, 2017 22:59:04 GMT
I can't possibly improve upon the earlier comments here about what we learn about G's character. I love the way that his awkward social skills and grace peek out from behind that authoritative mask, like asking why she's staring, criticizing her dress, and so on. He hasn't had to be charming very often (although he's capable of it with Elsa). I'm of the opinion that his clothes fit him perfectly in these early scenes - and also on the steps - he practically looks like he's been ironed. Yes, there's a wrinkle here, but as noted by gothicbutterfly95, that's because he's got his arms lifted. Hm, I'd better go have a watch and check.
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Post by utility_singer on Oct 22, 2017 1:59:49 GMT
The costumes have an erratic fit due to his weight gain during shooting. In the words of Robert Wise, (as quoted by CP in his memoir) "you're as fat as Orson Welles".
For the screen capture, I have only two words. Alpha Male.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 11, 2020 13:56:51 GMT
I wonder how long it's been since he was in this room. If it holds memories that he'd rather not have to think about, then he was actually quite kind and polite with his "In the future, you will kindly remember that there are certain rooms in this house that are not to be disturbed." As opposed to, "Leave this room immediately! You have no right to be in here!" Though, maybe this would not work with his vibe of calm, cool authority. Was he angry with her or just annoyed by her?
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 15, 2020 23:11:56 GMT
I seem to remember that when we first see into this room, the chandeliers are covered with dust sheets,and there were blinds at the windows, so it had been 'moth-balled'. By the party, obviously, all that had been taken down, but it reminds me that when Elsa said "Let's have a grand and glorious party", it must have taken quite a lot for Georg to say yes, after such a long time without activity - maybe 5 years? He rather shrugs as he acquiesces, but if this was the first time he had agreed to a party in a long time, he was pretty good about it!
Maybe Maria had already 'crossed the barrier' by going in there to look at the surroundings and pretending to dance, so maybe it made him realise what a lovely room it was, and how it ought to be used: hence, his politeness. Perhaps this was the beginning for him of seeing his life differently through Maria?
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Post by utility_singer on Aug 16, 2020 12:58:05 GMT
I wonder how long it's been since he was in this room. If it holds memories that he'd rather not have to think about, then he was actually quite kind and polite with his "In the future, you will kindly remember that there are certain rooms in this house that are not to be disturbed." As opposed to, "Leave this room immediately! You have no right to be in here!" Though, maybe this would not work with his vibe of calm, cool authority. Was he angry with her or just annoyed by her? In the current vernacular, he was "shook"---knocked off guard.
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Post by utility_singer on Aug 16, 2020 12:59:14 GMT
I seem to remember that when we first see into this room, the chandeliers are covered with dust sheets,and there were blinds at the windows, so it had been 'moth-balled'. By the party, obviously, all that had been taken down, but it reminds me that when Elsa said "Let's have a grand and glorious party", it must have taken quite a lot for Georg to say yes, after such a long time without activity - maybe 5 years? He rather shrugs as he acquiesces, but if this was the first time he had agreed to a party in a long time, he was pretty good about it! Maybe Maria had already 'crossed the barrier' by going in there to look at the surroundings and pretending to dance, so maybe it made him realise what a lovely room it was, and how it ought to be used: hence, his politeness. Perhaps this was the beginning for him of seeing his life differently through Maria? The puppet show just before the grand and glorious party remark took place in the ballroom.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 19, 2020 15:57:09 GMT
I seem to remember that when we first see into this room, the chandeliers are covered with dust sheets,and there were blinds at the windows, so it had been 'moth-balled'. By the party, obviously, all that had been taken down, but it reminds me that when Elsa said "Let's have a grand and glorious party", it must have taken quite a lot for Georg to say yes, after such a long time without activity - maybe 5 years? He rather shrugs as he acquiesces, but if this was the first time he had agreed to a party in a long time, he was pretty good about it! Maybe Maria had already 'crossed the barrier' by going in there to look at the surroundings and pretending to dance, so maybe it made him realise what a lovely room it was, and how it ought to be used: hence, his politeness. Perhaps this was the beginning for him of seeing his life differently through Maria? The puppet show just before the grand and glorious party remark took place in the ballroom. The progression of the ballroom is almost like a minor character. Completely closed off in the beginning, open for family only in the middle, hosting a grand party in the end. Maybe you are right Indigo, maybe him just walking in there had a subconscious impact on his feelings towards the room and made him more likely to say yes when he was asked to have it opened back up for the puppet show. Also, maybe the memory of seeing her enjoy it crossed his mind when she asked (I'm assuming it was Maria that asked) if they could use it. Opening it for the children to use is different than opening it for a party though. He is a little unreadable in that scene where Elsa is suggesting the party. I don't think he's comfortable with that, but has no way of politely saying no.
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 28, 2020 22:08:44 GMT
I imagine the kids were instrumental in asking to use the ballroom for the puppet show; maybe their enthusiasm pushed him towards saying yes?
Then it would be less of a leap to agree to it being used for a party again.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 25, 2021 19:24:05 GMT
She clearly knows that she is in trouble when he slams open the door and catches her "dancing". Wouldn't it have been so great if she had kissed the floor like she did when she was misbehaving with Sr. Berthe? He would have been even more dismayed than he already was.
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 26, 2021 23:17:18 GMT
I had forgotten that he had seen her bowing and curtseying in the ballroom:I think he banged open the doors of the ballroom when she was at the lowest flourish of her bow. Although this was too early in their relationship to mean much to him then, I wonder whether he felt echoes of this when he came out on to the terrace at the beginning of the Laendler? In fact she was only feet away then from where he later emerged from the ballroom and saw her trying to dance with Kurt.
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Post by Chris&Byng on Apr 27, 2021 13:21:21 GMT
I had forgotten that he had seen her bowing and curtseying in the ballroom:I think he banged open the doors of the ballroom when she was at the lowest flourish of her bow. Although this was too early in their relationship to mean much to him then, I wonder whether he felt echoes of this when he came out on to the terrace at the beginning of the Laendler? In fact she was only feet away then from where he later emerged from the ballroom and saw her trying to dance with Kurt. I have this big 'thing' with doors in the movie. There's at least three times they are important. In the initial ballroom scene, Georg is opening the doors to his past life with his wife. After the argument, he opens the doors to his children (after he runs into the house, leaving the door open), and finally, when Maria returns, he opens the door to his new life. Yes, I like doors
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 27, 2021 13:26:25 GMT
So, when God closes a door, sometimes He opens another one, instead of a window? lol
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 29, 2021 22:32:03 GMT
I always find it interesting how obscured Georg's face is until both he and Maria are well out in the hall; I'm sure it was a ploy to add to his mystery. Also, just seeing his outline in the screencap above is quite threatening as well.
Another reason for the obscuring is that we get hints of his good looks through the darkness, but it isn't until he emerges into the light in the hall that we see how devastatingly handsome he is. It's quite a knockout moment! **Fans self**
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 6, 2021 22:49:33 GMT
Another thing that is very noticeable when he emerges from the shadows is (not just how handsome he is, but also) his blue eyes. The lighting in the foyer really makes them stand out, more so that in other scenes in the movie (though maybe I'll have to watch him super closely through the whole thing on my next watch to determine my favorite blue eyes shot ).
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Post by Chris&Byng on May 6, 2021 23:39:17 GMT
Another thing that is very noticeable when he emerges from the shadows is (not just how handsome he is, but also) his blue eyes. The lighting in the foyer really makes them stand out, more so that in other scenes in the movie (though maybe I'll have to watch him super closely through the whole thing on my next watch to determine my favorite blue eyes shot ). haha this calls for another poll, no?
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