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Post by augiesannie on Oct 15, 2017 23:18:15 GMT
(I really shouldn't start this thread because I'm traveling on business a ton for the rest of the month so I probably will not have as much time to chat about it!)
When I first discovered fanfiction, specifically TSOM, I was all about the "missing moments." I wanted to know more about what happened the rest of the night in the gazebo, and the next morning. I wanted to know about the engagement and the honeymoon. After I read all the good stories I could find, I started writing my own (although I cringe now, reading my early efforts). After a while, I got more interested in Elsa, and in Maria's history, and some Agathe back-story too, but all the time, I was still writing stories that COULD have happened within the movie's framework. I did not like AU stories, not one bit. Why would anyone change the movie?
In the last year, I've gone more afield, changing the way M&G meet and what happens to them. I felt really emotional about those stories, like they really cemented my love for the characters because so much of the rest of the story was gone. (I also wrote a lot of adult content, which in its own way, also made me closer to them, which sounds creepy I know). I also love some of the stories currently up on ff.net that are AU.
I wonder if I will find my way back to missing moments. Maybe.
So how about you? What kinds of AU stories do you like or not?
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Oct 15, 2017 23:45:56 GMT
I love AU. There is only so much you can do within the canon universe, especially with TSOM. I do love missing moments but it gets to a point where things get a bit same, same but different.
I loved your AU “The Widow” because it still had the integral characters and motivations but was something new and fun. And, of course, you just write exquisitely well.
But yes, AU is exciting! You don’t know what’s going to happen and that’s part of the fun, well it is for me. And I think it’s more of a challenge to both the reader and the writer in AU.
It is FanFiction after all, and if I wanted to read the movie plot, I would just go watch the movie. A lot of my other fandoms, pretty much everything I read is AU (particularly one because the pairing is not canon) and it’s so interesting seeing different takes on the characters. It’s give you more space to explore those characters and how’d they behave in a different setting.
I still love missing moments. Your “Bank Shot” is one of my all time favourites - goodness, I sound like such a fangirl but I guess I am haha And those kind of stories make me all happy and exhilarated. I think I just waffled like there’s no tomorrow but I love AU. It doesn’t even have to be that drastic an AU. The only kind I’m not really a fan of is when they make Georg and Maria closer in age (such as a school AU). I prefer a seasoned gentleman, not an errant schoolboy, thank you very much.
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Post by lemacd on Oct 17, 2017 2:32:18 GMT
I think I started with the thought that missing moments were as far as I would go, but that lasted all of two stories, I think. I think the most important thing about AU is that characters must stay the same at the core because readers need to recognize them as the characters they already love. I mean, that's the point, right? But I love to mash it up with a movie. I've done it once, have another unfinished one, and there are two more that I really want to do but will NOT entertain until I get my crap together and hit complete on at least two of my current poor neglected WIPs. So at this point, maybe never? I agree that there is only so much you can do with canon and missing scenes before it starts to sound too familiar. That's not to say we can have too many of them. Of course there always seems to be something you can mine from the movie... a line, a look, body language. It sparks creativity too. It's all good. augiesannie I think you will go back to missing scenes someday. You will watch the movie again some day and realize that there is something you've always wondered and that no one has addressed in a fic. Like, why did G says Maria was repetitious? Did they discuss play clothes before the thunderstorm? hmmmmm....
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Oct 17, 2017 2:55:39 GMT
Definitely! Can never have too many.
And yes, the characters have to be true to themselves or else you are just writing a story with the characters names *cough*fiftyshades*cough*
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Post by thebeestings on Oct 17, 2017 21:15:18 GMT
Definitely! Can never have too many. And yes, the characters have to be true to themselves or else you are just writing a story with the characters names *cough*fiftyshades*cough* Oh dear...considering I just recently wrote a story that took a wee bit of inspiration from Fifty Shades and definitely placed our fair lady and handsome Captain in a very non-cannon AU situation I should be ashamed...but I'm not *grins* cause it was fun to write And I must confess I rather like AU's, provided that they stay true to their character and it's not too far fetched. I don't know if I want to read about Maria and Georg battling space aliens--but someone just might prove me wrong one day and write something brilliant!
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Post by blaueaugen on Oct 17, 2017 23:00:27 GMT
Personally I looooove AUs. When I first started reading fanfic I wasn’t all that keen, but Downton Abbey modern AUs changed everything. They were the characters I loved in a totally different situation, and because I loved the actors too it was so much fun to pretend it was a whole other tv show in my head (which I realise sounds a bit crazy 😄)! As for SoM AUs, I like them because the canon is inherently much more restrictive in a movie, and like others have said it does get a bit samey after a while. I mean, there are only so many situations you can put a retired sea captain and a former postulant in... 😉 I think AUs can develop the characters in ways that more canon stories can’t always do. As for space aliens thebeestings, there must be some Star Trek 6 crossover fic somewhere 😉
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Oct 18, 2017 0:02:24 GMT
Well this has been informative. I didn't realise there were two stories from two of my favourite authors I haven't read yet. And my fanfic TBR grows ever bigger. I will read them, I promise, but I'm going to try and get finished with university first. It's less than a month...
My take on AU (that is why we're here, after all): I was happy to read it, but avoided writing it like the plague. Don't know why. But, if you've read my current fic, you know I gave that up. Most of what I write still end up being canon, but then, most of my planned stories are AU (well, the multichapters anyway).
Always loved reading it. Now love writing it. And yeah, everyone should stay in character.
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Post by lemacd on Oct 18, 2017 0:13:59 GMT
Personally I looooove AUs. When I first started reading fanfic I wasn’t all that keen, but Downton Abbey modern AUs changed everything. They were the characters I loved in a totally different situation, and because I loved the actors too it was so much fun to pretend it was a whole other tv show in my head (which I realise sounds a bit crazy 😄)! As for SoM AUs, I like them because the canon is inherently much more restrictive in a movie, and like others have said it does get a bit samey after a while. I mean, there are only so many situations you can put a retired sea captain and a former postulant in... 😉 I think AUs can develop the characters in ways that more canon stories can’t always do. As for space aliens thebeestings , there must be some Star Trek 6 crossover fic somewhere 😉 You aren't the only one who reads DA modern au like a whole new TV show! In my mind BC and JoFro have acted endlessly together 💖💖💖. And I think that also opened my mind to au as well. It's fun to explore characters in new situations. You get to know them better.
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Post by lemacd on Oct 18, 2017 0:16:31 GMT
Definitely! Can never have too many. And yes, the characters have to be true to themselves or else you are just writing a story with the characters names *cough*fiftyshades*cough* Oh dear...considering I just recently wrote a story that took a wee bit of inspiration from Fifty Shades and definitely placed our fair lady and handsome Captain in a very non-cannon AU situation I should be ashamed...but I'm not *grins* cause it was fun to write And I must confess I rather like AU's, provided that they stay true to their character and it's not too far fetched. I don't know if I want to read about Maria and Georg battling space aliens--but someone just might prove me wrong one day and write something brilliant! The fun justifies pretty much writing anything IMO. And I thought the FSoG thing was super hot. And I don't think I ever reviewed it. Looks. 😳
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Oct 18, 2017 0:27:46 GMT
Definitely! Can never have too many. And yes, the characters have to be true to themselves or else you are just writing a story with the characters names *cough*fiftyshades*cough* Oh dear...considering I just recently wrote a story that took a wee bit of inspiration from Fifty Shades and definitely placed our fair lady and handsome Captain in a very non-cannon AU situation I should be ashamed...but I'm not *grins* cause it was fun to write And I must confess I rather like AU's, provided that they stay true to their character and it's not too far fetched. I don't know if I want to read about Maria and Georg battling space aliens--but someone just might prove me wrong one day and write something brilliant! Not at all! Your story was wonderful. 50 Shades, or Master of the Universe as it was originally called, took characters and changed them completely. And I just dislike it for its inaccurate representation of its subject matter. Your story, however, was both hot (very much so!) and believable.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Oct 18, 2017 9:41:17 GMT
To be fair, the original characters in Master of the Universe are pretty bland. Not that I've read. And I don't plan to. But I did have a Twilight phase and yeah, looking back, none of them were all that great.
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Oct 18, 2017 9:53:26 GMT
To be fair, the original characters in Master of the Universe are pretty bland. Not that I've read. And I don't plan to. But I did have a Twilight phase and yeah, looking back, none of them were all that great. This is true. Of course, no offence meant to anyone that likes either. I had my Twilight phase too, when the books were first released. But I got over it, I think I even gave them to a cousin. I remember I enjoyed her other book, the Host, more than Twilight. I never read the original FF but I read 50 shades to see what all the fuss was over.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Oct 19, 2017 7:01:30 GMT
Yeah I really liked The Host too. Though I read that probably closer to my Twilight phase than now. I actually want to do a series re-read and re-watch at some point in the not to distant future. If I find absolutely nothing good in it or can't get through it everything will go!
The other thing about Fifty Shades/Master of the Universe (we were actually talking about this in my tutorial at uni today - is adaptation a form of fanfic?) is it's SO AU that combined with the boring characters, it practically is original. Again, haven't read it, but from what I've heard.
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Oct 19, 2017 9:05:07 GMT
Yeah same, I read around the same time as Twilight. I think they made it into a movie as well. I've only seen the first Twilight movie, I was over it by the time any others came out.
Hmm true. Well if adaption is a form of fanfic than that makes so many films and shows fanfic! I mean, if you take someone else's character and give the new stories and such, it's basically what we do (except we ain't getting any moola). I know people have said that about a few franchises like Sherlock, Doctor Who, Marvel and DC universes. Interesting topic for discussion.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Oct 20, 2017 4:40:32 GMT
It certainly is. The lines between everything is so blurry, and if you were to throw our fandom in then you're dealing with reality as well. So much to consider
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 22, 2017 20:34:21 GMT
WOW! I stole a few minutes from work (OK, and from publishing a little something new) to find this amazing discussion! Thanks everyone for your thoughts, and INeverExplainAnything for your kind words. In your honor I'm writing a sequel to Bank Shot! thebeestings, you know that FSOG story was one of my absolute favorites and I realize that while I wrote you a long and gushy PM about it, I did not review it for the world to know of my utter adoration for it. I've got to fix that! Thanks everyone for such intelligent and interesting responses!
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Oct 23, 2017 4:45:22 GMT
WOW! I stole a few minutes from work (OK, and from publishing a little something new) to find this amazing discussion! Thanks everyone for your thoughts, and INeverExplainAnything for your kind words. In your honor I'm writing a sequel to Bank Shot! thebeestings , you know that FSOG story was one of my absolute favorites and I realize that while I wrote you a long and gushy PM about it, I did not review it for the world to know of my utter adoration for it. I've got to fix that! Thanks everyone for such intelligent and interesting responses! Oh my goodness! I am so excited! I cannot wait to read it! (I wonder how many more exclamation points I can use without coming across insane?)
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Post by itsdayandnight on Jun 8, 2021 17:08:56 GMT
Kind of bringing this up again because I'm really curious about everyone else's thoughts!
I, for one, love a good A/U. Plus, I really do love trying to be able to challenge myself to write something that isn't canon (though I've been told by quite a few people that my A/Us are too sad, oops). And like many previous responders, I find them immensely exciting to read. There is always uncertainty about what will happen + I love to see how differently writers interpret the characters to put them in a world created by their imagination! I also really adore crossovers, and I LOVE seeing how well the author meshes two different storylines together to create something fresh and beautiful!
Well, to be honest, I'm just really a sucker for M and G and I'd GLADLY read anything that involves them -- whether it be canon or not :')
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Post by augiesannie on Jun 12, 2021 20:26:39 GMT
totally agree itsdayandnight, (and there is no such thing as too sad A/Us IMO). I frequently find myself in A/U territory now, because there are only so many missing moments to write about. Does it count as A/U if it stays with the characters and setting but they behave differently with different outcomes? One kind of A/U I always admire are ones set in modern times. So helpful and convenient if the characters can text! And if there is not a world war going on! I've tried to do it though and I can't. But I love it when people do.
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Post by Reisova on Jun 14, 2021 15:14:22 GMT
totally agree itsdayandnight, (and there is no such thing as too sad A/Us IMO). I frequently find myself in A/U territory now, because there are only so many missing moments to write about. Does it count as A/U if it stays with the characters and setting but they behave differently with different outcomes? One kind of A/U I always admire are ones set in modern times. So helpful and convenient if the characters can text! And if there is not a world war going on! I've tried to do it though and I can't. But I love it when people do. I don't mind AU but like very much their character especially M and would more like with familiar outcome
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Post by laurynvi on Jun 28, 2021 0:59:38 GMT
I am all for the AU! I love being taken on new adventures with characters we know and love.
I also love stories "after the movie/book ends", which I don't know can be classified as AUs but sometimes do diverge quite a bit from canon.
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