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Post by absurdlittlebird on Oct 22, 2017 0:11:54 GMT
I watched the film last night and I couldn't help but notice how different Marta is from the rest of the children. I wish I knew if it was intentional or partly just due to the actress.
We all know she's the most shy of all of them and I think generally has the softest personality.
However there are many moments on screen where she just looks incredibly blank in the face. Not stoic. Blank. Like she's not at all aware of anything going on around her.
In contrast Gretl is always rapidly paying attention to the happenings around her.
Georg is a highly intelligent man and I see this intelligence worked out in all of the children in different ways (some are highly emotionally/socially intelligent, others academically)
Liesl: In the way she can so easily navigate a conversation with her father (Where do you think we were? You must have some idea where you think we were) Friedrich: His story about berry picking was generally a pretty good one, it only went awry when pressed with more details. He was also emotionally intelligent enough to realise that talking about Maria disgruntled his father. Louisa: In the cunning of all her devious plans. Kurt: Though he is often goofy, he articulates himself quite well. Brigitta: ..... explanation isn't necessary here. Gretl: Her questions, the expressions on her face- everything is well beyond her years.
But Marta? I don't know. To me she just seems so disengaged so much of the time from everything happening around her and at times to me (I feel awful for saying this) she comes across almost as a bit slow.
She is absolutely sweet and soft hearted but I just find her overall personality to be so different to the others.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Oct 22, 2017 3:37:51 GMT
I think Marta is the hardest to get a read on. Maria doesn't really tell us anything in the argument, and the musical doesn't give us much either (since she's the one Maria doesn't know about yet on stage) I think it's probably partly due to Debbie. And also partly the character. For all the points we can give the children and attribute them to Georg, when you actually look at the movie just as a movie, none of them really have an awful lot to work with in terms of personalities. They're the children. That's it. They're one big seven person character in a way. (I hope I'm getting my point across) So when you get a certain actor/actress playing a role, it might just be what happens. It is hard. Interesting thoughts.
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 22, 2017 21:21:17 GMT
Huh. No wonder I always thought Marta was the sweetest. I like me a compliant kid who's no trouble at all, I guess. Heaven knows I didn't give birth to that kind. I think we're supposed to infer her character from that sugary "pink parasol" remark. She does do a nice pratfall when kicked in the butt during "SLF."
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 22, 2017 23:00:10 GMT
I think a lot of kids are like that at that age - just taking it all in, happy for the ride. Our second daughter was like that,very much the quiet observer, taking it all in, content to let her more confident older sister take the reins. It's only now that she is 16 that she's...er...going on 17, and all that information she's been gathering all those years is being used to excellent effect. Very Marta-like in looks,too!
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Post by lemacd on Oct 25, 2017 0:54:07 GMT
I watched the film last night and I couldn't help but notice how different Marta is from the rest of the children. I wish I knew if it was intentional or partly just due to the actress. We all know she's the most shy of all of them and I think generally has the softest personality. However there are many moments on screen where she just looks incredibly blank in the face. Not stoic. Blank. Like she's not at all aware of anything going on around her. In contrast Gretl is always rapidly paying attention to the happenings around her. Georg is a highly intelligent man and I see this intelligence worked out in all of the children in different ways (some are highly emotionally/socially intelligent, others academically) Liesl: In the way she can so easily navigate a conversation with her father ( Where do you think we were? You must have some idea where you think we were) Friedrich: His story about berry picking was generally a pretty good one, it only went awry when pressed with more details. He was also emotionally intelligent enough to realise that talking about Maria disgruntled his father. Louisa: In the cunning of all her devious plans. Kurt: Though he is often goofy, he articulates himself quite well. Brigitta: ..... explanation isn't necessary here. Gretl: Her questions, the expressions on her face- everything is well beyond her years. But Marta? I don't know. To me she just seems so disengaged so much of the time from everything happening around her and at times to me (I feel awful for saying this) she comes across almost as a bit slow. She is absolutely sweet and soft hearted but I just find her overall personality to be so different to the others. What are your thoughts? I submit for discussion that perhaps his intelligence doesn't work out in Marta because she is more like her mother than any of the others. In the beginning, we find out her birthday is Tuesday and yet her father is leaving town. And then by the end, she's the one jumping into his arms when they return from Paris. Perhaps her nature was more of a curse and she's that way because it made it hard to be close to her father for a long time. And then he learns to appreciate her for how much she is like Agathe. Just a thought. I will say that it always seemed to me that she had some kind of speech thing, but I am sure Debbie Turner was losing teeth every week at that age and they might have had her wear some kind of false teeth? I don't know this for a fact, though if it was a known fact, I'm sure someone here would be able to verify. Poor Marta, she wasn't the baby but she gets put in the "the little ones just want to be loved" and not singled out at all. So yeah, I'm not really that surprised that the character of Marta is a bit washed out. I know one family that has 10 kids. From the oldest on down, the overachievement factor is astounding, they are quite accomplished musically, academically... and now that they are older, professionally. You kind of expect them all to be that way. But I spent time with their 8th child once and discovered that while she is incredibly sweet and polite and incredibly easy to like, which I expected, she wasn't very... I don't want to say she isn't smart because she is. But she struggled to read, and was slow in group conversations, like she had perfected the art of acting like she knew what people were talking about. These are fictional children, but if they were real, odds are that one of them wouldn't be as sharp and outgoing and captivating as the others. We think all the children should be equally dynamic but that really isn't very realistic. In a family full of sharp, stubborn, outspoken and determined children, there is bound to be one that prefers the shadows anyway.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Oct 25, 2017 5:55:56 GMT
Very interesting. The idea that she's very much like Agathe, and what that would mean is great. And you're completely right that there's bound to be one child that isn't as dynamic as the rest of them. And yes, Debbie was losing teeth throughout and had a lisp (not sure if it was because of the false teeth or just something she had as a seven year old). I believe their first scene she was actually wearing false teeth, and I've seen interviews where she talks about one scene where, in a 'blink and you'll miss it' moment, you can see the tooth disappearing and reappearing.
I still haven't found what scene that is.
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Oct 25, 2017 9:27:36 GMT
Interesting topic for sure. Like gothicbutterfly95 said, it was Marta, not Louisa, that Maria says she doesn't know much about. And I also agree with the whole seven children being like one character - save maybe Liesl since she's the only one we really get any more information on. My mother is actually the second youngest of seven, and so is the Marta equivalent (four girls and three boys, though one uncle passed away when I was very little). But she is certainly nothing like Marta. All my aunts and uncles are all very different. Some are driven and some aren't. My mother's family was very poor and most of my aunts and uncles did not receive much of an education. My mum was the only one to finish high school, and then went and became a nurse. She was also the last to have children because she went and got a career first before marrying and having children, unlike the rest of my aunts. My aunt, Liesl equivalent, is not very driven at all and was more than happy to settle down and have children. Because that was what was expected back then too, I guess. Anyway, my point is that the SOM children are very much the bare bones of what was needed for the story line. And I can see Debbie's portrayal definitely being an influence as to what Marta was like. Marta has always been my favourite because she is so sweet, likes pink and cats. I identify with her greatly haha
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Post by lemacd on Oct 25, 2017 22:45:11 GMT
she likes cats?
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Oct 26, 2017 6:34:29 GMT
I realised I confused her with Gretl, and it's bunny rabbits not cats but whatever. I can picture her liking cats.
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Post by lemacd on Oct 26, 2017 16:12:02 GMT
I realised I confused her with Gretl, and it's bunny rabbits not cats but whatever. I can picture her liking cats. LOL so close and yet so far, lol. She does like pussy willows... getting warmer?
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Post by adelaide on Nov 2, 2017 2:18:50 GMT
I think it is marta. Because she's so shy and quite. Like myself i think she probably gets pushed aside by the more outgoing ones. Her father leaving on her birthday and getting nothing from him must hurt her she's only a young child after all but with georg being emotionally closed off to his children she wouldn't get anything present or attention .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 1:20:29 GMT
Marta is adorable. I have noticed that in most of the fics I've read, Georg spends a lot more time with Marta, for example in ThePoorDidntWantThisOne ( thebeestings)'s Lost. In the movie, Debbie Turner "was" Marta. I feel like their personalities were almost identical. Either that or Debbie was an amazing actress (then again, the casting of TSOM was spot on.)
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