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Post by lemacd on May 9, 2018 5:02:05 GMT
  We've reached 20 caps!!! woot woot! Anyway, moving on... So... the pinecone. Hilarious but a bit... pedestrian... as far as pranks go. Do you think the children had pulled that one before on one of the other governesses? Has anyone ever tried sitting on a pinecone to see if it deserved that reaction? No? Yeah, me neither... that would be silly. Sigh. The Captain acts like he has no clue what just happened, but *SPOILER ALERT* during the gazebo scene he says he fell in love with her when she sat on that ridiculous pinecone so... he knew all along! Did he act like he didn't know as some kind of test to see what she would do? Did she pass? What impression did she leave after this particular moment? Is there anything else in the pics you notice and want to talk about? tell us... |
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on May 9, 2018 6:59:12 GMT
Julie's face is hysterical and Charmian's look is...I don't even know how to describe it. Marta's got a bit of a smug thing going on, and Georg? Gorgeous as ever.
Back to the pinecone...
1. No I have not tried sitting on a pinecone. And I will not be sitting on the one I brought back from Austria. It's much tinier and it's already been through the vacuum. (I still have, thankfully)
2. I don't know if she passed whatever test he might've concocted, but by the end of the night, with the thunderstorm and 'My Favorite Things' I feel like it almost doesn't matter.
3. I think he impression (at least on Georg) is a bit all over the place after this scene. She jumps at the pinecone, her reaction very (but I don't think intentionally dramatic. But then she talks about the frog and how kind they were at making her first moments so warm, happy, pleasant etc. turning the tables on the children. So Georg's probably going 'What the heck?'
4. Re. falling in love at the pinecone...first off I don't know if that's really true, story-wise, but disregarding that, he definitely knew it was there, even if he didn't see it. I do think the children have done it before, and one of the governesses would've brought the fact it was a pinecone to Georg's attention. I almost feel the children have a set um...set of pranks they do, and finally see which one breaks the governess.
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Post by lemacd on May 9, 2018 19:20:52 GMT
Not sure if he concocted a test, I just meant that he knew the pinecone was there and played it like he didn't know why she jumped up and screamed to see what she would say or do... the other governesses, in my imagination, would start chastising the children and probably him for such a mean trick. Like, maybe his first impression from their meeting was that she wouldn't last a day and this was going to be proof of that. But instead of ranting at them for their behavior or at him for letting it happen or storming off declaring that she would rather eat alone than with some ill-bred hooligans, she covered for them. Didn't give them away. If this is the case, she basically turned the game back on him; if he gave away that he knew, he looked like a fool. In fact, the next part of dinner, the blessing, thanking them for the little gift in her pocket, he basically had to sit there and let her do her thing. haha, she's awesome.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on May 10, 2018 2:31:43 GMT
She is. Maybe that's why he fell in love with her then.
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Post by indigoblue on May 12, 2018 22:40:23 GMT
I've been having a think about this, and it has just dawned on me...
The kids are not crying because she is alluding to them not giving her a warm welcome, or because they are ashamed of putting the pine cone on her chair, because they didn't put it there. They are crying because she has falsely assumed they did so - it was actually Georg who put it there. That is why he has that supercilious look on his face and in his voice.
Why did he do it? Hmmm...my guess is that it was a test he used on all his governesses on their first night. If they sat on the pine cone and dared not react (despite having to sit on the pine cone all through dinner, causing considerable discomfort in an embarrassing place), then he knew they were domitable, so he could continue to run his household in a domineering way like his ships (keeping the governess firmly on the poopdeck, wherever that is). However, Maria did react by protesting loudly, so he knew quickly that she was one to parry with...maybe this is something he was looking for (and look what happened).
So when in the gazebo he told Maria he fell in love with her the moment she sat on 'that silly pine cone', that may well have been the case...but he had set up the test himself, so he knew all about it. Presumably the kids had seen it all before with previous governesses:this would explain their expressions, and also their unhappiness at being accused of the misdemeanour. I have always thought them to be too angelic to have the bad reputation they had - no surprise then, it is actually Georg who is the bad boy...
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Post by lemacd on May 13, 2018 0:13:00 GMT
wow indigoblue. I am going to have to really try to wrap my brain around that... but I think I love this theory. |
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Post by andhereweare on May 13, 2018 0:16:28 GMT
Am I a horrible human being because the first thing I thought when reading indigoblue's theory is that bloomandgrow should deal with it in "A Most Difficult Time Keeping a Governess"?
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on May 13, 2018 5:15:05 GMT
I do remember reading a story (though of course I can't remember which one) where Georg WAS the one who put the pinecone there.
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 15, 2020 10:54:39 GMT
The kids are not crying because she is alluding to them not giving her a warm welcome, or because they are ashamed of putting the pine cone on her chair, because they didn't put it there. They are crying because she has falsely assumed they did so - it was actually Georg who put it there. That is why he has that supercilious look on his face and in his voice. Why did he do it? Hmmm...my guess is that it was a test he used on all his governesses on their first night. If they sat on the pine cone and dared not react (despite having to sit on the pine cone all through dinner, causing considerable discomfort in an embarrassing place), then he knew they were domitable, so he could continue to run his household in a domineering way like his ships (keeping the governess firmly on the poopdeck, wherever that is). However, Maria did react by protesting loudly, so he knew quickly that she was one to parry with...maybe this is something he was looking for (and look what happened). So when in the gazebo he told Maria he fell in love with her the moment she sat on 'that silly pine cone', that may well have been the case...but he had set up the test himself, so he knew all about it. Presumably the kids had seen it all before with previous governesses:this would explain their expressions, and also their unhappiness at being accused of the misdemeanour. I have always thought them to be too angelic to have the bad reputation they had - no surprise then, it is actually Georg who is the bad boy... Nice theory but no I dont think so...he is far too gentleman to behave in such an immature way. Also children say to Maria that they do all these pranks to attract father's attention, it is their way to connect with him. Plus the fact that the children were looking forward to her reaction in order to ridicule her and got surprised when she said rheumatism and not blamed them. Practically through the pinecone Maria managed for the first time to connect with the children, started to build a relationship with them. And I think for this reason the captain started loving her....at the gazebo scene he does not say he fell in love with her but started loving her. And he finally loved her because she used the sound of music instead of frogs, spiders and pinecones to connect with all of them. |
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 16, 2020 20:09:57 GMT
what impression did she leave after this particular moment? Is there anything else in the pics you notice and want to talk about? tell us... After carefully watching again and again the scene, I think that Kurt had put the pinecone, everyone knew and expected Maria's surprise and outburst, including the captain. Notice that the Captain after Maria says rheumatism glances with wonder towards Kurt..and all the kids are surprised... Now imagine Maria would not have reacted in this way, but was terribly embarrassed and expressed her disapproval of the kids and their insulting behaviour by telling for example ''who put a pinecone on my chair? you scared the devil out of me. I got sick, I am trembling, you do not respect me at all, you little beasts. Captain, these children need a good lesson in order to acquire some good manners and learn to respect their governess. In my whole working life I have never seen such rude children''. What would the captain say? how would he talk about the pinecone?? how would he justify his children and take their part?? Hard question to answer haha...although I adore this movie and my imagination makes various scenarios, I do not know how he could manage to blame the governess instead... Maybe he could say that some servant forgot the pinecone on the chair when decorating or cleaning the room, and that the children have nothing to do with it. And since the governess has no ability to think further more perspectives and not just blame immediately the kids, he will not permit his children to become the victims by permitting the governess to put all the blame on to them. That is the best scenario I can think of... |
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 17, 2020 21:51:04 GMT
It seems a Kurtish thing to do
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