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Post by lemacd on Aug 6, 2018 20:15:54 GMT
 My family always ate together as a family. We didn't have to dress up and it wasn't served on the best china and I was likely told to drink my milk that had been poured into one of the old Star Wars glasses they gave away at McDonald's... ha, yeah, I'm dating myself here. But I will say that we did not leave the dinner table without asking my father if we could be excused. We just didn't. For any reason. If there was a dire need, we were quick about it. And the weird thing is that if you asked me if my childhood was strict I would say no. But as I type this, it seems strict. But really, it wasn't. I was just the expectation and we all knew it. Anyhoo, enough about me. In this moment, we see everyone looking toward the Captain. Everyone sees Liesl sneaking away. I mean, you can see her being stealth about it. Maria notes this with curiosity but says nothing. But every sibling sitting had a good view of her. She must have known they wouldn't give her away. The SOM7 is tight, yo. So, she trusts her brothers and sisters, but what about Maria? She couldn't possibly know the new governess would keep her mouth shut. Or maybe she could. Maria already demonstrated that she is on their side. Or maybe she didn't care, there was a handsome telegram boy outside waiting and she had to take the risk. Thoughts or observations? |
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Post by andhereweare on Aug 6, 2018 22:19:28 GMT
Whoever cuts hair at the abbey isn't very good at it.
(What is it with me and noticing hair?)
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 6, 2018 23:39:15 GMT
Sister Berthe probably did it, badly on purpose...
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Post by Supercali on Aug 7, 2018 2:56:14 GMT
Whoever cuts hair at the abbey isn't very good at it. (What is it with me and noticing hair?) Funny you've mentioned that, my husband once told me the first time he watched the movie as a little boy, he thought Maria looked too ordinary and he wondered why didn't they find someone pretty and charming to play the role, like...Mary Poppins. It took him years to realize it's the same person with different haircuts. And nowadays he still dislike that haircut, sigh. |
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Post by lemacd on Aug 7, 2018 5:00:39 GMT
my hair was always cut this short when I was little. I hated it so she said it was like Dorothy Hammill only it wasn't. I know this because I doubt very much that Dot got her hair cut at the barber shop. true story. not saying mumsie was cheap but...
Anyway, the first time I saw TSOM (well, the time I saw it and really fell in love with it) Maria's hair style was actually part of what I loved because I had short hair and if someone with a bad haircut can land a hottie like Capt. von Sexypants, I was in.
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Post by Supercali on Aug 7, 2018 5:23:41 GMT
My hair was short too when I was a kid, and my mom always took me to her friend's barber shop for trimming. One time I asked if I could have Maria's hair style. The barber said she could try, and the outcome was so horrible that I didn't even want to go to school...and I am pretty sure if the captain saw that, he would definitely not request the hat off.
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Aug 7, 2018 8:36:45 GMT
lemacd My family was the same when I was little. We were never allowed to leave the table unless we asked and my parents were not very strict. We always had to say "I've had elegant sufficiency, may I leave the table?" though. I have no idea why it had to be that phrase, and when you're seven it sounds more like "I'fe had elganf su-fish-antsy, may I leaf the table?". I think my mama did it just to amuse herself, if I'm honest. In regards to Liesl, I always thought it was because she just didn't care. Possibly part of her wanted the governess to notice and tell her father so she could be like "see, I don't need you!" - maybe just on a subconscious level. But thinking about it, it could be that she didn't think Maria would tell - going by the way she had acted in regards to the '"gift in her pocket". She's already demonstrated that she won't tell on them to their father. I pretty much just repeated what you said. My brain is doing well today!
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Aug 7, 2018 10:51:41 GMT
I always thought (or at the very least used to think) that Georg's grunt was an answer to Liesl's question. But it probably isn't, and considering I never knew if it was a yes or a no, it's pretty much irrelevant.
I always wondered why she went over to the buffet. Does she think it'll make it easier for her to sneak away. Sort of a 'Father won't know I've slipped away until it's too late' kind of thing? Or is it just to put her glass down (because she does take a little while to do that). Both? But as far as Maria goes, I think it's pretty much been said. Liesl either believes she won't tell on her, or doesn't care.
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 7, 2018 23:17:05 GMT
I think Liesl's hormones have kicked into action, so she's going, like it or not!
And it underlines both what she said, "I'm sixteen,and I don't need a governess", and also that she can act independently of her father. Perhaps a little of that wine has bolstered her courage, too...
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Post by Supercali on Aug 8, 2018 1:00:32 GMT
I think Liesl's hormones have kicked into action, so she's going, like it or not! And it underlines both what she said, "I'm sixteen,and I don't need a governess", and also that she can act independently of her father. Perhaps a little of that wine has bolstered her courage, too... I don't think Liesl had ever had wine as she couldn't even taste her first champagne, the one she's taking at this scene was water. |
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Post by lemacd on Aug 8, 2018 2:56:56 GMT
INeverExplainAnything that is hilarious because my mother hated when we would say, "I'm stuffed" (meaning "full"... I know it means other things in other countries) so she made us say, "I've reached a state of surfeit".
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Post by mandagrace on Aug 9, 2018 17:05:59 GMT
lemacd I love that you talked about how close the children are! I never really thought about how Liesl must have known that they wouldn't rat her out. In terms of trusting Maria, I agree that Liesl probably saw the way that Maria responded to their pranks (how she covered for them with the Captain) and was willing to take the risk. Even by this point I think Liesl realized that Maria was not like the other governesses they'd had before. I've also always wondered whether the Captain knew about Rolfe and Liesl. He may often be gone from the villa, but he is a man who "notices everybody and everything", so I always thought he would be suspicious of why Liesl always disappears when a telegram arrives. Maria seems to understand what's going on immediately, but when the Captain catches Rolfe throwing rocks at the window he seems surprised.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 9, 2018 19:59:44 GMT
mandagrace I can't say that I think for certain that he knew (about Rolfe) but I do go back and forth a lot. I think there is a point in the story where he has done the math and put it all together... Liesl disappears when a telegram is delivered, telegram kid throwing pebbles at her window (I mean, it's a cliché move... he might have been surprise to find him doing it, but I don't think he wondered wh)… by the time he interrupts Maria and Liesl discussing the highs and lows of being in love, he's knows. I can't recall his expression because it's been forever since I've watched the movie all the way through (I know, I'm so ashamed), but I don't think he's surprised to discover that Liesl knows who Rolfe is when they are discovered hiding in the Abbey. good discussion!
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Post by Supercali on Aug 9, 2018 21:20:44 GMT
I agree with lemacd. And I don't think Liesl trying hard to hide her date, as Maria instantly notice something was going on when Liesl asked to leave the dinner abruptly. If Georg didn't pay attention before, after the lakeside confrontation, he started getting to know his children. He probably realized there's something between his eldest daughter and the telegram boy even without Maria telling him that. However, this's more like a mother-daughter conversation topic. He might not be able to talk discuss with Liesl due to a bit of embarrassment.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 10, 2018 3:28:47 GMT
this has nothing to do with this cap, but I was looking over the older cap discussions and realized we started doing this a year ago on Aug. 2. I want to watch and see how much film time we've covered so far... it doesn't feel like much at all. Hope you guys stick with me, it would be so amazing if we can get through the entire movie!
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 10, 2018 23:28:09 GMT
I love this: such a great, simple idea, Lemacd so I'll be sticking with you!
For the record, this cap is from page 22 of a total of 113 of TSOM in Movie Screencaps, so we are about a fifth of the way through...that means we have another 4 years of lovely discussions...wonderful...
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Aug 11, 2018 3:06:41 GMT
I know when Frau Schmidt comes into Maria's right after Sixteen Going on Seventeen is 42 minutes (my brother asked what happened at that moment, so I had to look it up) and the end of Do-Re-Mi is right on the one hour mark. The balcony is two hours and...I watch this movie WAY too much.
Bottom line, we may still have a LONG way to go, but we might be further in than we think.
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Post by Supercali on Aug 11, 2018 3:16:34 GMT
I am looking forward to it  |
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Post by utility_singer on Aug 15, 2018 10:57:52 GMT
I think it is simply another test for the new governess----like the wrong name, the frog in the pocket, you know. What Liesl didn't expect was to be caught in the rainstorm and locked out. That's why, after shimmying up the trellis and climbing in the window, she asks "You won't tell Father, will you?". Her intent was simply to see if Maria would call her out for leaving the dining room but the infraction turned into much more, and Liesl wasn't sure the governess wouldn't reveal her.
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 15, 2018 22:23:31 GMT
Yes, so Maria showing her the bathroom and somewhere to clean her dress was the ultimate in support for Liesl.
Great to hear from you again, Utility!
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Post by utility_singer on Aug 16, 2018 11:07:32 GMT
Thanks!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 28, 2020 19:20:58 GMT
But every sibling sitting had a good view of her. She must have known they wouldn't give her away. The SOM7 is tight, yo. The children are together all the time. I think they see themselves as a team. They seem to respect one another in the different roles that they play in the family. They are trying to get their father's attention together. They are trying to break the rules together. I don't think they would even consider ratting one another out to their father. I wonder if Liesl tells her sisters (or at least Louisa) about her romantic *rolls eyes* evening with Rolf? |
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 28, 2020 19:45:28 GMT
I wonder if Liesl tells her sisters (or at least Louisa) about her romantic *rolls eyes* evening with Rolf? No way!! Louisa is 13 and Brigitta 10. Too young to understand. Louisa maybe....but in these ages even one year elder makes a huge difference. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 28, 2020 20:33:34 GMT
I wonder if Liesl tells her sisters (or at least Louisa) about her romantic *rolls eyes* evening with Rolf? No way!! Louisa is 13 and Brigitta 10. Too young to understand. Louisa maybe....but in these ages even one year elder makes a huge difference. They are pretty young, so you are probably right. Do you think she ever confided in Maria about the details of this night? |
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 28, 2020 21:04:09 GMT
No way!! Louisa is 13 and Brigitta 10. Too young to understand. Louisa maybe....but in these ages even one year elder makes a huge difference. They are pretty young, so you are probably right. Do you think she ever confided in Maria about the details of this night? that she had her first kiss in the gazebo? I believe yes, because it was very important for her!! Do you think Maria told the Captain anything about Liesl and Rolf after their marriage? because during the honeymoon they had a lot of time to discuss about the children and their life together. I believe the captain told her for sure his suspicions and fears for his daughter and seeked Maria's support. So Maria might have told him what Liesl told her and what she believed about Rolf. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 29, 2020 15:14:45 GMT
They are pretty young, so you are probably right. Do you think she ever confided in Maria about the details of this night? that she had her first kiss in the gazebo? I believe yes, because it was very important for her!! Do you think Maria told the Captain anything about Liesl and Rolf after their marriage? because during the honeymoon they had a lot of time to discuss about the children and their life together. I believe the captain told her for sure his suspicions and fears for his daughter and seeked Maria's support. So Maria might have told him what Liesl told her and what she believed about Rolf. After they were married, I think Maria would have told him that Liesl was sneaking out to see Rolf if he asked her about it, though I think Georg already knows this. I don't know if she would divulge (or if Georg would even want to know) about the first kiss. That seems like "girl talk" to me. After the escape, they probably talked at length about Rolf and his role in things. |
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