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Post by augiesannie on Dec 30, 2018 21:21:16 GMT
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Post by indigoblue on Dec 30, 2018 23:43:36 GMT
Welcome Augiesannie!
Can't think how I missed these!
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 14, 2019 13:24:16 GMT
I reread these, because there were some things that interested me in the second article (The Hills are Still Alive):
-that Christopher Plummer's military suit on the first day looked too fashionably cut for the 1930s (despite the fact that Maria's and the kids' outfits were definitely of that period). Was this to ensure that, despite his handsome face, a boxy thirties suit didn't overwhelm his slender figure? I can see how this more tailored suit keeps up our interest, because he is pretty beastly at the beginning, and the whole story relies on us wanting them to get together! How different would things have been if he just didn't appeal... CP did say that he put on too much weight while they were filming because he wasn't actually on set as much as the others, and I have to say it looks like he could have had a larger size of suit! However, the lounge suit he wore in the gazebo, now that's a different story...
-I also thought the point about Georg's retort for Max when he said he had no political convictions, "You must have...etc", may have been apt if Max was Jewish, but had not seen the gravity of what was happening around him and of the impending Anschluss; perhaps he was someone to bury his head in the sand (especially if it suited him to do so), although this would be difficult to believe, given the terrible situation for Jews. In this case, Georg is trying to get him to come to his senses.
-It's always puzzled me why a Professor(Kohler) is running a toyshop, from whence came the puppet theatre (according to Max at the end of the show). A situation which would fit would be if he had been forcibly removed from his university post, as many had, and had to end up running a shop; another comment 'dropped in' and very easily missed, almost skated over, but serves to be digested.
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Post by utility_singer on Jan 18, 2019 14:48:21 GMT
'Professor' doesn't necessarily mean he ever held a university post. In The Wizard of Oz, the carny Dorothy meets is 'Professor Marvel'. I always had the feeling that Max perhaps has Jewish heritage (perhaps a grandparent) so was able to fly under the radar. Also that his 'I have no political convictions' meant that he was willing to go along to get along and save his own skin; only when his friend and the children that he deeply cared about in spite of himself were in danger did he make a decision either way. Ah, the suit. I'm not sure what Dorothy had in mind when tailoring him, but I'm glad she made him look amazing <3
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Post by Supercali on Jan 18, 2019 16:51:08 GMT
Somehow I had the same feeling that Max might had Jewish heritage as well. Also I am always worried and curious about what happened to him after the Von Trapp's escape. Zeller and his people might not be able to prove that he's involved, but it doesn't mean they would not give him a hard time. So eventually he might have to flee the country too.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 19, 2019 0:30:24 GMT
Chilling to think about it.
And your theories about Max having Jewish relatives fits exactly with his apparent nonchalance (which I've never understood before, as it seemed incongruous with the political situation).
Some of these little asides (so easily missed) sure counter the potentially saccharin moments...do you think they were slipped in to keep the adults watching the movie on their toes? It's just that they are so subtle that it's easy to miss them (for example, it has taken us till now to discuss some of them!)
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 19, 2019 20:26:54 GMT
A Jewish grandparent would have been enough to send him to the gas chambers. I always assume Max is NOT Jewish because there's no way he'd be that nonchalant. In a few versions of the stage show I've scene, Max is dragged off stage by the soldiers. Although OTOH also in the stage version, after the Anschuluss he still has a government job and in fact has been promoted. So go figure. After I saw him dragged off stage, I started my headcanon that Georg spirited him off to Shanghai (a place where many refugees fled including Jews). I actually thought Max's vulnerability was that he is gay, the Nazis don't like that either. that is a great catch about Professor Koher indigoblue
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 21, 2019 14:17:49 GMT
Max being gay fits exactly with his comments and not wanting to attract attention.
Also the fact that Elsa seems to consider him 'safe' enough to have him as a chaperone.
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Post by utility_singer on Jan 27, 2019 23:14:41 GMT
Yes, @augiesannie, a Jewish grandparent in reality would have been a death sentence. Perhaps further back. But I seem to recall reading that there were some Jewish people who tried to 'go along' to save themselves or their families? Maybe I'm wrong.
But I do think the gay angle is another, equally valid theory.
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 27, 2019 23:30:21 GMT
Yes, @augiesannie, a Jewish grandparent in reality would have been a death sentence. Perhaps further back. But I seem to recall reading that there were some Jewish people who tried to 'go along' to save themselves or their families? Maybe I'm wrong. But I do think the gay angle is another, equally valid theory. Yes I do think that's right about 'going along,' in fact I also saw a film recently about Jews who chose to "hide in plain sight", living (not as Jews) in Berlin and managing to survive. I'm really interested in the whole topic of how anyone got along during those years because of the story I'm researching.
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Post by andhereweare on Jan 28, 2019 5:17:24 GMT
Yes, @augiesannie, a Jewish grandparent in reality would have been a death sentence. Perhaps further back. But I seem to recall reading that there were some Jewish people who tried to 'go along' to save themselves or their families? Maybe I'm wrong. But I do think the gay angle is another, equally valid theory. Yes I do think that's right about 'going along,' in fact I also saw a film recently about Jews who chose to "hide in plain sight", living (not as Jews) in Berlin and managing to survive. I'm really interested in the whole topic of how anyone got along during those years because of the story I'm researching. Not sure if you're familiar with this lady (who was from Austria), but this may help you out. There is a book and a documentary; the latter can be found at the link below: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0mOA1KAZME
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 28, 2019 12:57:32 GMT
Yes I do think that's right about 'going along,' in fact I also saw a film recently about Jews who chose to "hide in plain sight", living (not as Jews) in Berlin and managing to survive. I'm really interested in the whole topic of how anyone got along during those years because of the story I'm researching. Not sure if you're familiar with this lady (who was from Austria), but this may help you out. There is a book and a documentary; the latter can be found at the link below: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0mOA1KAZMEThanks!!!
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Post by andhereweare on Jan 28, 2019 17:49:22 GMT
You're welcome! I thought of this because last year I saw the book's author on CSpan (for those outside of the US, CSpan has three channels, all paid for by establishments such as NBC, ABC, etc). Its' regular job is to broadcast the House of Representatives and the Senate but when they're not around it broadcasts lectures and interviews, including the one I linked above as part of its regular weekend feature, BookTV. You may also appreciate this: www.c-span.org/video/?449671-2/german-world-war-boat-campaigns-1914-18
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