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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 28, 2020 11:43:19 GMT
Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I am so taken with all of the background music during the gazebo scene.
There is just a tiny bit of Edelweiss to start.
The Sound of Music - while Maria is alone and while Georg shows up and they start talking.
My Favorite Things - when they are talking about obligations/missing the children.
The Laendler - there's not going to be any baroness to the kiss.
The Sound of Music with just a touch of Something Good - during the kiss.
The Sound of Music - talking about RM.
Edelweiss - right after look for your life.
Then of course they go into Something Good.
It's so subtle, but really makes the scene! Has anyone else noticed this? I usually don't actually because I am so focused on the dialogue/the major character developments that are happening/how handsome Georg looks/etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 11:52:55 GMT
Good observation!
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 28, 2020 23:46:08 GMT
I must have watched the film x thousand times before I realised the Gazebo music wasn't all one tune, and even then it took me a while to take my eyes off the delectable visual treats on offer to listen carefully enough to the track to work out it was all those songs! I suppose it is because it is all in the same style that one doesn't notice it segue from one to another.
I'm surprised they didn't manage to slip a bit of Climb Every Mountain in there, particularly when she 'Finds her Dream...'!
I managed to record it by getting Robert Wise's commentary on the 40th Anniv DVD, where he talks in the silent bits but not over any of the music. This way I captured all of those gorgeous bits which you don't get on the SOM CD, inc the Gazebo scene (and How Can Love Survive from the Ballroom Scene).
I love to play the gazebo scene when I am driving alone at night, because I know the scene so well, and being in the dark...one can let one's imagination run riot!!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 29, 2020 15:23:04 GMT
I love to play the gazebo scene when I am driving alone at night, because I know the scene so well, and being in the dark...one can let one's imagination run riot!! This made my day! You are so my people!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 3:34:50 GMT
I must have watched the film x thousand times before I realised the Gazebo music wasn't all one tune, and even then it took me a while to take my eyes off the delectable visual treats on offer to listen carefully enough to the track to work out it was all those songs! I suppose it is because it is all in the same style that one doesn't notice it segue from one to another. I'm surprised they didn't manage to slip a bit of Climb Every Mountain in there, particularly when she 'Finds her Dream...'! I managed to record it by getting Robert Wise's commentary on the 40th Anniv DVD, where he talks in the silent bits but not over any of the music. This way I captured all of those gorgeous bits which you don't get on the SOM CD, inc the Gazebo scene (and How Can Love Survive from the Ballroom Scene). I love to play the gazebo scene when I am driving alone at night, because I know the scene so well, and being in the dark...one can let one's imagination run riot!! Don't crash your car! |
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Post by indigoblue on May 1, 2020 0:09:31 GMT
Haha! If I thought the Captain was going to kiss me, I might!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 0:11:40 GMT
Haha! If I thought the Captain was going to kiss me, I might! Haha, yes! Correction: If Christopher Plummer was going to kiss me... I'd probably faint |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 0:18:55 GMT
Haha! If I thought the Captain was going to kiss me, I might! Haha, yes! Correction: If Christopher Plummer was going to kiss me... I'd probably faint I've lost count at the number of people that have said I look like him. One person finally figured out an actual "resemblance percentage" if you will. They said it would be fairly believable to be his grandson. I think I get it from my dad's side of the family? Either that or my mom's dad. Maybe both... |
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Post by forensicator8 on May 6, 2020 19:47:02 GMT
I think adapting the musical numbers to create a full-fledged score for the movie is definitely a testament to what a genius Irwin Kostel was--and his Oscar win for it was also much-deserved!
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Post by indigoblue on May 19, 2020 10:36:00 GMT
I'm trying to think whether, by the gazebo scene, we have heard all the melodies in the film? I think that, afterwards, the tunes are all reprives or adaptations of previous melodies heard. So, when it 'all comes together' for Maria in the gazebo, so do all the tunes. A stroke of genius for Irwin Kostal! Here he is with Julie and Saul Chaplin, the musical producer:  |
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 19, 2020 13:50:26 GMT
You are right! There are not any new songs after the gazebo. I have never made that connection before. Brilliant!
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Post by augiesannie on Jun 8, 2020 23:05:39 GMT
Hey reverendcaptain, I know you posted this a while back but there is actually a link somewhere in here to a soundcloud recording of this music. I’ll try to find it! |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 14, 2022 3:04:42 GMT
Have you ever noticed the similarities between the background music when Georg is walking into the hall toward Maria to start The Apology and when he is walking up during the gazebo scene? It's as if a soft hints of TSOM on woodwind instruments indicates that the captain has hurt Maria and is approaching her to make it better.
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Post by missisa on Jul 6, 2022 16:56:16 GMT
Hey reverendcaptain, I know you posted this a while back but there is actually a link somewhere in here to a soundcloud recording of this music. I’ll try to find it! Hey people! I was looking exactly for the underscore music and found out this comment. Does anybody know the link what I'm talking about? |
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Post by missisa on Jul 6, 2022 17:07:08 GMT
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Post by augiesannie on Jul 17, 2022 17:43:30 GMT
so glad to have that precious bit at my fingertips. Also LOL indigoblue: "I'm surprised they didn't manage to slip a bit of Climb Every Mountain in there, particularly when she 'Finds her Dream...'!" |
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 26, 2022 23:37:41 GMT
I know reverendcaptain wrote down the tunes heard in part of this underscore, but it was only in the second half, which we hear in the gazebo scene.
Just to show what a pedant I am, below are the tunes from the beginning of that SoundCloud link (which starts when Maria returns from the Abbey and begins to talk alone to Georg beside the lake.) The complexity and subtlety of Irwin Kostal's arrangement is wonderful, so atmospheric that it really sets the tone for each scene. Some of the tunes are really just riffs before they morph into something else. Timing as shown on the SoundCloud orange bars is on the left, the dialogue which each tune it corresponds to is on the right.
0:00 Edelweiss (few bars)
0:04 Something Good
0:06 My Fav Things "The Reason No Longer Exists"
1:00 Sound of Music "I'll stay until another governess arrives"
1:20 Edelweiss Maria meanders in the moonlight whilst Georg is entranced
1:36 Something Good Baroness appears on the balcony
2:18 How can Love Survive Elsa's thoughts on the honeymoon
2:33 My Favourite Things Elsa gets desperate
2:58 How can Love Survive "It's no use, you and I..."
Silence
3:24 Edelweiss "I'm being dishonest to both of us"
4:00 How Can Love Survive "I need someone who needs me desperately"
4:40 Something Good "..a young lady who will never be a nun..."
5:00 Edelweiss "Auf Wiedersehn, darling..."
5:20 TSOM "Hello, I thought I might find you here..." Gazebo scene
6:00 Something Good "Nothing was the same when you were gone.."
6:22 My Fav Things "We've called off our engagement"
7:20 The Laendler "You are/You did?" "You can't marry someone when you're in love with someone else...
7:30 Trill ...can you?"
7:40 TSOM That Kiss
7:50 TSOM "What else does the Rev Mother say?"
7:60 Edelweiss "And have you found it?"
8:00 Maria sings Something Good
OK, pedantry over. But I did enjoy it.
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Post by augiesannie on Jul 29, 2022 12:49:42 GMT
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 31, 2022 19:36:21 GMT
OMG Indigo! This is fabulous!
I have to admit, I've never noticed "How Can Love Survive" during the balcony scene breakup. How fitting.
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Post by augiesannie on Sept 7, 2022 20:14:01 GMT
I know, right? so much genius in there!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 23, 2022 2:03:54 GMT
As Indigo noted, we hear "Something Good" in the background while Georg is gazing out at Maria from the balcony. This happens before they sing "Something Good". Are there any other instances where we hear a song in the background that has not yet been sung in the movie?
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 25, 2022 23:47:02 GMT
No, I think we worked out somewhere else that all the songs have been sung at this point - except Something Good.
I'm just trying to think whether there are any other background music compilations like this, or is it just when there is a romantic scene with little dialogue which requires some mood music?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 28, 2022 20:28:07 GMT
The music varies from (a very aggressive) So Long Farewell to (a very soothing) My Favorite Things while the Nazis are searching the abbey, though they are played so differently, for effect, that it is not really seamless background music like the gazebo.
I did a pretty good listen on my last watch and I couldn't find any songs that were included in background music before they were sung in the movie (except Something Good that we were just talking about). Obviously, this doesn't include the overture or the intermission. It's interesting that they did this with Something Good and no others.
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 31, 2023 23:21:58 GMT
I'm not an experienced musician, but I had never appreciated how you can alter the mood of a tune entirely by slowing it down, changing it to a minor key, slightly altering the harmonies, maybe extending or shortening some held notes slightly, or just changing the rhythm, until it has a completely different effect. I'll try to find an example from the SoundCloud track.
Here we are: click on Mississa's link above on 6 July '22, and listen to TSOM at 1:40, How will love survive at 4:23, TSOM again at 5:13 and My Fav Things at 6:20.
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Post by augiesannie on Apr 10, 2023 10:18:12 GMT
that is so interesting, indigoblue, like you can imagine them scoring the movie and what the raw scenes looked like just with the actors, and then how the music enhanced their performances. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 13, 2023 19:19:30 GMT
Love that you did the research for us Indigo. This whole composition is just flawless. It is amazing how the familiar tunes can sometimes be uplifting and sometimes heartbreaking depending on how they are being played.
I especially like when My Favorite Things is played by a lone flute. It happens at 0:36 (May I wish you every happiness baroness) and again at 6:15 (I had an obligation to fulfill and I came back to fulfill it). I think it is meant to show how lonely Maria feels in these moments as she lies to protect her broken heart. The first one (at 0:36) really jumps out at me because it is right on the heels of the playful My Favorite Things that we hear just as this sound clip starts (when the children run in for dinner).
The 1:40 TSOM has that similar lonely vibe, though it is played by both a flute and a cello (I think). You can almost feel Maria's turmoil as she walks by the lake. It sounds very different than the hopeful TSOM at 5:13 when Georg is arriving at the gazebo to straighten things out with her after ending things with Elsa.
I could listen to this all day.
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 13, 2023 22:13:28 GMT
There is another very sad TSOM at 1:00, which coincides with "I'll stay until another governess is found", again reflecting her heartwrenching feeling when he asks "You are here...to stay?".
I could listen to it all day too (or particularly the night- hehe!). It sounds so familiar but is difficult to pin down because a few bars of one melody flow into another and back again in a variety of arrangements. Top marks to Irwin Kostal!
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Post by augiesannie on Apr 15, 2023 10:55:27 GMT
My favorite bit with this music is that right after Maria says, "the Baroness will be able to make things FINE for you," there is a break in the music, like we're all holding our breaths, and then as Georg tells her there isn't going to be a Baroness, the Laendler - their song - begins as they move together into the gazebo.
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 16, 2023 10:57:33 GMT
This is all so good! Every bit of this film is genius.
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Post by EdelweissGameCo on Jun 20, 2024 16:02:09 GMT
Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I am so taken with all of the background music during the gazebo scene. There is just a tiny bit of Edelweiss to start. The Sound of Music - while Maria is alone and while Georg shows up and they start talking. My Favorite Things - when they are talking about obligations/missing the children. The Laendler - there's not going to be any baroness to the kiss. The Sound of Music with just a touch of Something Good - during the kiss. The Sound of Music - talking about RM. Edelweiss - right after look for your life. Then of course they go into Something Good. It's so subtle, but really makes the scene! Has anyone else noticed this? I usually don't actually because I am so focused on the dialogue/the major character developments that are happening/how handsome Georg looks/etc. YES!! I love how they included so many of the songs to make that scene so special!! I thought I was the only one who noticed that, but alas... here I am in the SOM fan forum where now I know others are just as obsessed as I am! haha |
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