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Post by persaphones on Feb 27, 2021 0:47:43 GMT
okay, i have another logistical question for my story. where would they have eaten dinner during the grand and glorious party? i realized i had no idea since it seems Maria glances over the ballroom before she leaves to make sure no one sees her, but they already would have been at dinner at that point, so i'm not sure if that totally makes sense. I guess another room would have been set up since they had too many guests for the dinning room. right? maybe i'm just over thinking it but i would love to hear what other's thoughts are. thank you for the help!
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Post by laurynvi on Feb 27, 2021 16:36:17 GMT
I was wondering this just the other day! I sort of envision it as a banquet hall set up... probably needs a bigger space than their dining room we see in the movie (but that could also be the "informal dining room" where the family normally eats and we never actually see the formal dining room). I think if there were guests in the ballroom when Maria left it could just be a temporal thing - she was so rushed leaving they hadn't actually made it to dinner yet (given Elsa was waltzing with Georg in the ballroom after that incident with Maria).
The logistics of what happens at a "house party" is a little bit of a mystery to me on the whole. I mean, there are guests coming down the stairs in the opening shot of the party... where are they coming from, skulking on the second floor??
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Post by persaphones on Feb 27, 2021 16:53:41 GMT
I was wondering this just the other day! I sort of envision it as a banquet hall set up... probably needs a bigger space than their dining room we see in the movie (but that could also be the "informal dining room" where the family normally eats and we never actually see the formal dining room). I think if there were guests in the ballroom when Maria left it could just be a temporal thing - she was so rushed leaving they hadn't actually made it to dinner yet (given Elsa was waltzing with Georg in the ballroom after that incident with Maria). The logistics of what happens at a "house party" is a little bit of a mystery to me on the whole. I mean, there are guests coming down the stairs in the opening shot of the party... where are they coming from, skulking on the second floor?? that definitely makes sense about Maria rushing leaving before they made it to dinner because georg did say that would wait for her. i think the idea that we never see a formal dining room makes sense because they would definitely need a space to accommodate many people if they wanted to host large dinner parties as well, anyway outside of hosting balls? therefore, the dining room we see would be the informal dining room, given their social class, georg's expectations, and with the amount of people they have in their family, they would need a rather large space for "informal" meals anyway. I think those guests were coming from exploring the upstairs and getting a view of the villa from the second floor because there were other people up there when we see that wide shot of guests entering the villa before the close of of elsa and georg greeting everyone. thank you so much for your response! this helped me a lot.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 27, 2021 21:05:22 GMT
I have wondered this too. My best guess is that the room to the right of the ballroom (if you were standing looking at the doors) is set up to be a formal dining room for the party. The door to the left we see Georg go into with his telegram after the honeymoon, so I assume that this is his study. Though, with the ballroom and a formal dining room, the first floor has a huge percentage of square footage devoted just to parties, which wouldn't happen THAT often, right? Maybe the formal dining room was actually used for something else when they weren't having a party? Music room?
I agree that the guest are likely still dancing when Maria leaves. How long to you think it took her to pack, write a note, and get downstairs? She appears to be running, so I'm thinking that she rushed through everything she had to do as quickly as she could. 15 minutes? It has always bothered me a little that people are milling around the foyer for the entire party except when Maria leaves. So maybe they were already at dinner?? That would explain no one wondering around.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 27, 2021 23:36:05 GMT
Looking at the Floor Plans in the Artwork section, I assume the formal dining room looks out onto the lake, on the same side of the house as the saloon/sitting room/drawing room. It would have to be pretty big to take all those people sitting down, and would normally be placed somewhere with a pleasant outlook on the 'best side' of the house.
There was a thread a while back where we talked about the guests coming downstairs for the party, but as I have no idea where it is, I'll recap my thoughts here:frequently with large parties like that, guests coming from a long way away would stay at the villa or with friends of the family who lived nearby. So they would have arrived in the afternoon and been shown upstairs by Franz or Frau Schmidt, where they would have got ready in the early evening, then descended when the party began. So I think the people you see coming down the stairs are house guests.
As for Maria leaving, she had so few belongings I don't think it would take long at all for her to write a couple of lines to Georg, then throw a few things in to a bag and dash downstairs.
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 1, 2021 0:00:26 GMT
Such a great question persaphones! indigoblue’s explanation of those people on the stairs makes sense, although I was tempted to joke that maybe there’s no toilet on the first floor? I always thought that they dined in some kind of temporary space - say in heated tents - it’s just an awful lot of people for any kind of real room. Either that or the guests scurried around helping set up tables in the ballroom which seems unlikely I know the timing doesn’t work out, but I am obsessed with that Elsa/Georg waltz and always liked the idea of Maria catching sight of it. (I wrote a story about this but I think it’s unpublished.)
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 1, 2021 0:08:04 GMT
And I think it is such a clever irony that, when G and E are dancing, the orchestra is playing Edelweiss: even more excruciating for Maria if she catches sight of them!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 1, 2021 23:56:25 GMT
It might be excruciating for Georg too, having to dance to such a personal song with someone other than Maria. Though, he has his formal mask back on, so it's hard to tell. I might have to bring that thread back up, it was a good one.
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Post by laurynvi on Mar 2, 2021 1:28:29 GMT
indigoblue - okay, this explanation makes PERFECT sense. I've wondered about that for years and now I see the light!!
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 2, 2021 14:10:58 GMT
It might be excruciating for Georg too, having to dance to such a personal song with someone other than Maria. Though, he has his formal mask back on, so it's hard to tell. I might have to bring that thread back up, it was a good one. here is my story about that waltz, but I would love to hear others' thoughts.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 3, 2021 17:06:55 GMT
Great story!
Even after the (seemingly) millions of times that I've seen this movie and analyzed the emotions and body language of this waltz and Maria's departure, I have for some reason never thought about how G & M would have felt about this particular song playing the background until a couple of days ago on this thread. Then your story starts with how Elsa feels, and I'm realizing that in my musing this week, I completely forgot about her feelings (so did Georg!). So, lets start with her. Her surprise that Maria left so easily is absolutely true. I love the part about her and Georg having an unspoken arrangement that they would be together but never have deep emotional connection, but that she's starting to actually fall in love with him (who wouldn't?). We need to bring this up in one of the Elsa threads because it's fascinating. She does seem to be falling for him much more than he is falling for her. I wonder if they really did have some sort of arrangement that allowed them to be together as a social match, but not emotionally involved? Or was she always hoping that he would some day fall madly in love with her? As for the song, it is kind of brilliant that the moment she is feeling that she finally set their relationship back on track, the memory of Georg singing to Maria is playing the background mocking her. As for Georg, I like the comparison of how he lovingly indulged Agathe's desire to host parties, but felt tricked and trapped by Elsa's party. Very telling. His emotional turmoil in the difference in passion of the Laendler and Elsa's Edelweiss waltz is spot on. And I'm glad he feels guilty about the dismissive way he treated her after Max's dinner invitation. (I know we share an obsession about this scene) Oh, Maria! Of course she believes Elsa, and now the memories of Georg singing Edelweiss (to her) are ruined, with the grand way that it is now being played making her feel all the more out of place. It doesn't matter that she doesn't actually see G & E dancing, the effect is still there, and maybe even more potently because I'm sure her imagination is running wild about how wrong she has been about everything.
Well done!
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 3, 2021 22:24:45 GMT
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