MeltIntoSpring
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Post by MeltIntoSpring on Jul 30, 2021 20:30:30 GMT
Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I am at a bit of a loss.
I have written most chapters of my story... Well... I have the idea for all of them anyway.
The thing is, I know exactly how I want the chapter to flow, but I can't quite articulate the image in my head. Everything I write, I end up deleting.
I start out with bullet points of the chapter and write around them, but I'm really struggling with this particular chapter.
What do you guys do when you know how you want the chapter/story to go, but you can't quite convey what's in your head?
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sandra
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Post by sandra on Jul 30, 2021 21:50:45 GMT
The only piece of advice I can give you is to keep trying until, upon rereading, you don't feel like deleting the whole thing. Don't-give-up.
I'm telling you this because it's the exact opposite of what I do. I eventually give up and to my shame, I have a number of unfinished stories gathering dust in my hard drive, most of them for years.
Keep trying until it feels right. One day, you'll hit the right chord and see that for once, that's *exactly* what you wanted to convey, or the closest thing to it.
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Post by utility_singer on Jul 31, 2021 13:19:57 GMT
If you figure it out, let me know. I lost my mojo a few years ago, and haven't managed to get it back yet.
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Post by augiesannie on Jul 31, 2021 22:58:27 GMT
Hi MeltIntoSpring I especially liked your question because I write in a similar fashion to you, with the bullets. I also have in mind a trajectory for the whole story, what the major plot points are and how it’s going to end, and it sounds like maybe you do too? So when I get stuck, I go to an entirely different part of the story, maybe a later one where I DO know what’s going to happen, and I write out a draft of that. It may require revision by the time I come back to it, but this way I keep making progress and rebuild my confidence, ad sometimes when I go back to the stuck part, I have a clearer idea how to aim it at the end point. (I am in awe of people who write a chapter at a time. I mean, I polish and publish a chapter at a time, but I couldn’t possibly write a story without knowing the milestones, high points and ending. ) sandra given the awesome snippets you’ve been posting elsewhere and utility_singer you know I love your stuff, maybe we need to start a home for unfinished stories!
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Post by sandra on Aug 1, 2021 0:56:23 GMT
sandra given the awesome snippets you’ve been posting elsewhere and utility_singer you know I love your stuff, maybe we need to start a home for unfinished stories! I haven't posted my unfinished stories anywhere. My motto is: "Don't post anything you haven't finished", and I've abided by it scrupulously.
It's very frustrating and discouraging, because the main joy of writing stories is sharing them with other like-minded people who share your love for the fandom.
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MeltIntoSpring
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Post by MeltIntoSpring on Aug 1, 2021 17:19:28 GMT
Sincere apologies, my emails don't like to notify me when I've been tagged/messaged. I have it all done, albeit not entirely "polished" as you say This chapter was 100% finished, I uploaded it into my doc manager, then I noticed the smallest little error that snowballed into me re-writing two paragraphs and then deleting it altogether. I kind of have to get this one right, as in a couple of chapters, it gets a little angsty/dark, so I need this to be light to counteract it. I for one think that we should ABSOLUTELY start a place for unfinished stories. I would love it. Maybe you get to a point where you're stuck and someone else jumps in with a chapter and then see how it evolves?
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 1, 2021 18:22:21 GMT
Sincere apologies, my emails don't like to notify me when I've been tagged/messaged. I have it all done, albeit not entirely "polished" as you say This chapter was 100% finished, I uploaded it into my doc manager, then I noticed the smallest little error that snowballed into me re-writing two paragraphs and then deleting it altogether. I kind of have to get this one right, as in a couple of chapters, it gets a little angsty/dark, so I need this to be light to counteract it. I for one think that we should ABSOLUTELY start a place for unfinished stories. I would love it. Maybe you get to a point where you're stuck and someone else jumps in with a chapter and then see how it evolves? I will definitely keep this in mind and if someone wants me to set it up sooner than later, let me know. One thing that would make me sad is if people read my drafts here and then didn't leave me reviews on ff.net, but I guess I'd get over it.
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MeltIntoSpring
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Post by MeltIntoSpring on Aug 1, 2021 18:46:25 GMT
Sincere apologies, my emails don't like to notify me when I've been tagged/messaged. I have it all done, albeit not entirely "polished" as you say This chapter was 100% finished, I uploaded it into my doc manager, then I noticed the smallest little error that snowballed into me re-writing two paragraphs and then deleting it altogether. I kind of have to get this one right, as in a couple of chapters, it gets a little angsty/dark, so I need this to be light to counteract it. I for one think that we should ABSOLUTELY start a place for unfinished stories. I would love it. Maybe you get to a point where you're stuck and someone else jumps in with a chapter and then see how it evolves? I will definitely keep this in mind and if someone wants me to set it up sooner than later, let me know. One thing that would make me sad is if people read my drafts here and then didn't leave me reviews on ff.net, but I guess I'd get over it. If everyone else is up for it, then I will be too. utility_singer I'm sorry to hear that you feel as though you've lost it, I think we all have been there at one point or another. However, knowing the calibre of your work, the moment you post something new, you can be certain that I'll be reading. Yeah I understand that completely, it's like when you have a look at your story stats and you see how many people have read (which is lovely in itself), but then I wonder why they didn't review. I always worry that it's because they didn't enjoy it. Then again, I have binge read stories before and neglected to review for one reason or another.
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Post by itsdayandnight on Aug 2, 2021 7:53:11 GMT
Hi MeltIntoSpring ! Definitely late, and am not an expert, but I sometimes find that letting it rest for a while really works—even just for a day or two! I usually recommend creating a playlist to get you into the mood, but the past few months, I found that reading (fics or books or articles. Literally anything to read) helps immensely because sometimes it can help shift your perspective/approach when it comes to writing something, rather than sometimes, finding the need to stay focused and on theme even when you don't "feel" it anymore. It also helps to look at paintings and pictures, or even watching movies. Hope it helps and best of luck! I seriously love your new story, and I'm sure you'll absolutely nail it
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galan
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Post by galan on Aug 2, 2021 16:00:12 GMT
What do you guys do when you know how you want the chapter/story to go, but you can't quite convey what's in your head? It might be a lazy answer, but I leave the piece/moment alone for a little bit and go off to work on something else. Sometimes, I find I get stuck in a very specific vision for what a chapter or piece needs to be, and I just need some distance from it. But that might be a me problem. I used to run a kitchen and be responsible for the vast majority of the menu development; I often found myself flogging a dead horse when a dish didn't really work, and it was only toward the end of that time I realized I just needed to STOP, sometimes. A few days or a week later, fresher eyes could see what needed to happen. Don't be afraid to hit pause. Work on something down the line in your story, take notes on another piece, anything to give yourself a little time away from what is refusing to work in the moment. The piece I'm finishing now, when I was in the middle and feeling stuck, I would go work on things at the end and come back later. I dunno if that's helpful, but that's always worked for me: give it some distance, come back later.
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 3, 2021 17:09:03 GMT
yes, exactly. The dead horse is not going to get up and walk.
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MeltIntoSpring
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Post by MeltIntoSpring on Aug 6, 2021 22:02:53 GMT
I'm very late, I can only apologise. itsdayandnight and galan thank you for your lovely suggestions and helping me with this. I did exactly as you said, left it for a little and now it seems to be pouring out of me. I'm so glad I actually decided to re-write it, it's taken a completely different turn (seeing as I had already wrote the whole thing) and turned out with a better fit for how the further chapters have been laid out. I should be updating with a couple of days, then I can get on with posting on schedule. There's such a long way to go with it - not that it has any real plot to be perfectly honest - but I'm excited for the journey they're about to go on.
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MeltIntoSpring
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Post by MeltIntoSpring on Aug 6, 2021 22:03:42 GMT
Hope it helps and best of luck! I seriously love your new story, and I'm sure you'll absolutely nail it Thank you so, so much. That's very kind of you
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galan
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Post by galan on Aug 6, 2021 22:41:48 GMT
I'm very late, I can only apologise. itsdayandnight and galan thank you for your lovely suggestions and helping me with this. I did exactly as you said, left it for a little and now it seems to be pouring out of me. I'm so glad I actually decided to re-write it, it's taken a completely different turn (seeing as I had already wrote the whole thing) and turned out with a better fit for how the further chapters have been laid out. I should be updating with a couple of days, then I can get on with posting on schedule. There's such a long way to go with it - not that it has any real plot to be perfectly honest - but I'm excited for the journey they're about to go on. I'm glad it was a useful suggestion! One other thing that might be useful is to just go work on another part of the story. For the piece I'm finishing right now, whenever I found myself stuck, I would go work on specific chapters down the line that I KNEW were critical to both conflict and resolution and would not be edited out of the plot. It gives you some distance from what's giving you trouble, plus you're still getting things written. Sometimes, it would even give me extra wind and inspiration when I was stuck in a transition moment that wasn't all that exciting. (Also, I realize all of this was a repeat from my last post in this thread, but I still believe it: a little bit of time and space, plus a different headspace for some writing mojo.)
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Post by laurynvi on Aug 8, 2021 15:41:18 GMT
I've dealt with writer's block both ways, by 1) leaving it alone and letting the "knot" settle - the trouble with this is sometimes I leave it for months, or occasionally lose inspiration completely and never get back to it, and 2) powering through it, but it generally leads to a few nights of hair pulling and pounding away at it before the knots work themselves out. Some things I've found helpful to get past a particular block: - sketch out only the dialogue, or only the description - whichever inspired the chapter. Even if the dialogue sounds out of character or the description sounds stilted (literally sometimes when I'm fed up the page is full of "this happens, then that happens, then..." you can go back and revise it later - switch POVs - sometimes the thing you're forcing just flows from another character's POV (or switch narratives) - bringing in something (dialogue/scene) that happened earlier in the story can be a good jumping point for a new scene (and it's already been written!) - quoting the movie (or watching the movie... you know, for inspiration... ) I'm also a big reader - sometimes the book I'm reading inspires the way a chapter flows. As for ideas and stories that don't get finished - I keep them as a (long) list, and so many times I find these half-sketches make their way into another story, sometimes years later! Don't give up on these!
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galan
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Post by galan on Aug 8, 2021 15:58:12 GMT
laurynvi, definitely never give up! I'm glad someone else does dialogue first; at this point, I write all my projects out like a screenplay and then fill in the rest, because it's so much easier to focus on the characters and their voices.
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Post by juliemadlydeeply on Aug 8, 2021 16:00:08 GMT
I am late to the party, but I think how you approach the block depends on how you feel about what you're stuck on and what exactly is bothering you!
If I'm feeling terrible about the entire work, I let it be for a while and walk away (whether that's working on something else or taking a break entirely). And I do mean let it rest-- take as long as you need (I've taken months away from a story, truly). To me, there's no sense in forcing yourself through something when you know going in you're going to hate the way it turns out. If it's just a part that I can't get through, I try to jump around and write another part that excites me. I'll jump around for weeks until I have the right mindset and motivation to tackle the rougher part!
Like others have mentioned, I also find re-watching the film helpful (or, at the very least, fun) as well as reading just to figure out how I like things to work as a reader. I'll let my preferences there influence how I approach it when I am ready to write!
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 8, 2021 23:23:48 GMT
so many good ideas here. I especially want to embrace what laurynvi said about POV - sometimes, "flipping" the POV or maybe who did what to whom, brings a whole new energy and fresh perspective to the story.
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MeltIntoSpring
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Post by MeltIntoSpring on Aug 10, 2021 22:13:41 GMT
Finally! The block has been lifted! Thank you all so much for your wonderful suggestions and words of encouragement. I have just uploaded my most recent chapter and I can finally say that I'm happy with it. I'm a bit of a perfectionist (not in the good sense), so it will never be perfect to me, but I'm happy all the same. I can't thank you enough for helping me through this godawful difficult chapter. At least I can finally continue to post further chapters relatively quickly (seeing as I have written them and gotten them to a point where I'm happy). If you would like to take a look, It'd be greatly appreciated. Any comments, notes or constructive criticisms are welcome
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Post by galan on Aug 16, 2021 22:59:20 GMT
Another technique for dealing with the block, one I just used this weekend: try using a different medium for your writing for a little bit. I was visiting family and knew I'd have several hours of downtime, so I left my computer at home and just brought a fresh spiral notebook and a pen instead. Well, back home with 8.5 pages of notes, scene drafting, dialogue, etc. It made me work on new chapters, plus allowed me to work on an awkward patch without constantly rereading the awkward bits. Food for thought.
(Apologies if anyone else already mentioned this one, d'oh!)
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Post by Silver-White-Winters on Jan 10, 2023 23:41:20 GMT
I didn't see this earlier in the thread, and I could have overlooked it, but I need help. Does any one have this issue, where you can visualize what happens in your story (like watching a film in your head), but you can't put thoughts to words? I am having this issue with a few different stories (one of which is My Maria) and am really wanting to update each of them but again, I can't put thoughts to words. I have tried various things like rereading what I've written, reading other people's fics, watching clips of Die Familie Trapp & TSOM, and thinking of the stories from different points of view. I'm not sure what else to try. Got any suggestions?
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 13, 2023 23:44:41 GMT
I don't exactly want to "like" this post Silver-White-Winters! I kind of have had that happen and I just get something anything down???
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