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Post by lemacd on Nov 17, 2021 1:28:07 GMT
  Feeling generous, two caps for the price of one. So the dog b-bi-bites and it looks like the Captain is going to... but not in that yummy we all write into our fanfiction. Like he's going to bite her... wait for it... Head! Off! That one was for you augiesannie. Points to discuss... The boys look very military and I wonder if that is to impress their father and maybe please him OR is it the result of being drilled and marched and lined up like little sailors/soldiers? When I looked through the caps for these few minutes of screen time, the range of expression on Maria is all over the place. Flibbertigibbit, indeed. The Captain, on the other hand barely moves a muscle from one screencap to another, as if he were a piece of the scenery. The difference in their expressions looking at the line of children tell a lot of what they are thinking about it. It's hard to imagine at this point that they will ever get along. When Maria asks for more material to make play clothes, the Captain calls her repetitious. So I guess we are to assume that Frau Schmidt passed on the request already. But how was she to know the request was denied? And salute to the wardrobe department for putting a necktie into the Captain's nightwear and giving Maria a super Captain-repellant night robe. Your turn... By the way, I get my caps from this website, Movie-Screencaps.com. Need to be sure they get credit. |
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 18, 2021 0:41:58 GMT
Head off! Hat off! Whatever! I love the idea that they are trying to impress him - it also feels that way when he straightens Friedrich's tie out in the foyer, don't you think? And this shot makes me wonder, all over again, how they got themselves to a place where they do this lineup thing. I always think it MUST have started as a game that got out of hand because how on earth could any parent really require such behavior? What a great eye you have, lemacd, to have seen the comparison in their expressions. I think the necktie is a great touch, because IDK if you've ever seen the wardrobe test photo of all of them in nightclothes, and he doesn't have a tie on, and he looks downright jaunty. This is the photo I'm thinking of. |
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Post by lemacd on Nov 18, 2021 5:39:29 GMT
Great point about the tie and that picture. It seems likely someone said they had to find a way to make him a little more sedate and buttoned up. As I scanned over the caps, he had that same expression on his face. Almost like he's convincing himself internally that no one can tell that he's three sheets. But Maria was almost a blur in the caps, turning her head to look at the children lining up, back to him, her hands flying around... such a contrast that really highlights how unaffected she is by his intense manner.
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Post by lemacd on Nov 18, 2021 5:43:02 GMT
As for lining up, it could be one of those tricks people with large families employ to keep things smooth. Like, taking roll call when everyone climbs in whatever vehicle can fit everyone to make sure no one gets left behind. Or like you said, a joke or game that got out of hand.
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 18, 2021 23:51:40 GMT
Great point about the tie and that picture. It seems likely someone said they had to find a way to make him a little more sedate and buttoned up. As I scanned over the caps, he had that same expression on his face. Almost like he's convincing himself internally that no one can tell that he's three sheets. But Maria was almost a blur in the caps, turning her head to look at the children lining up, back to him, her hands flying around... such a contrast that really highlights how unaffected she is by his intense manner. He looks so much more relaxed and 'part of the group' without a tie in the costume test shot, that it makes me realise how formal and unamused he looks with a tie in the bedroom scene, underlining how his values and viewpoint are very different to the others in the room. -Especially when he remains so still when all around him are full of motion: again, it is a wordless way of showing how he is running in a different gear to everyone else, (and not engaging), thus making him more formidable. Great post! |
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 20, 2021 16:44:43 GMT
Great point about the tie and that picture. It seems likely someone said they had to find a way to make him a little more sedate and buttoned up. As I scanned over the caps, he had that same expression on his face. Almost like he's convincing himself internally that no one can tell that he's three sheets. But Maria was almost a blur in the caps, turning her head to look at the children lining up, back to him, her hands flying around... such a contrast that really highlights how unaffected she is by his intense manner. He looks so much more relaxed and 'part of the group' without a tie in the costume test shot, that it makes me realise how formal and unamused he looks with a tie in the bedroom scene, underlining how his values and viewpoint are very different to the others in the room. -Especially when he remains so still when all around him are full of motion: again, it is a wordless way of showing how he is running in a different gear to everyone else, (and not engaging), thus making him more formidable. Great post! Right, I mean, he’s agitated, angry even, but it feels so much more dangerous because of the stillness. I have to go back and check to see if there’s a finger-twitch in there. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 21, 2021 0:53:19 GMT
There are definitely finger wiggles, but he is otherwise still. I absolutely agree that his tie is necessary to making him buttoned up and serious, which contrasts with everyone else having a dance party. We were talking about it in the thunderstorm thread, but as he comes striding in, he is still walking forward even as Maria is about to collide with him. It speaks to his authority and control. He will not be intimidated by the chaos around him. Even his voice is calm and serious, while Maria goes from flustered to sassy. It is such an awesome scene.
I have always wondered why Maria goes for her robe only after the children ran out. She was standing in her nightgown the whole time he was in the room. What has changed? Is she more vulnerable without the kids? Did she just realize that she wasn't wearing it? The nightgown is actually much less form fitting than the grey dress she was wearing earlier, so she didn't need the extra coverage.
I think it's interesting that Georg doesn't bust Liesl when she is clearly struggling to come up with a story regarding her whereabouts after dinner. Her hair is wet, she's wearing Maria's nightgown (I like the sleeve detail on this nightgown in the screencap). He knows exactly where she was. I wonder why he chose not to reveal that.
I don't think she asked Frau Schmidt to ask the captain about material for the playclothes only because FS seems to dismiss the idea that these children ever play just a few minutes before. Maybe Maria asked him herself after dinner? Or maybe just her constantly saying things she shouldn't be saying is what is repetitious and not necessarily the playclothes request?
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Post by lemacd on Nov 21, 2021 8:19:04 GMT
He looks so much more relaxed and 'part of the group' without a tie in the costume test shot, that it makes me realise how formal and unamused he looks with a tie in the bedroom scene, underlining how his values and viewpoint are very different to the others in the room. -Especially when he remains so still when all around him are full of motion: again, it is a wordless way of showing how he is running in a different gear to everyone else, (and not engaging), thus making him more formidable. Great post! Right, I mean, he’s agitated, angry even, but it feels so much more dangerous because of the stillness. I have to go back and check to see if there’s a finger-twitch in there. it looks to me like finger wiggles are about to happen if they aren't already. |
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Post by lemacd on Nov 21, 2021 8:29:58 GMT
going for the robe: I've noticed that too and my opinion is that she just suddenly realizes (once they are alone) that she's en déshabille. While the children are running out, she has a moment to think, maybe.
busting Liesl: yes, interesting. I guess I always thought he knew, but Maria's cover for her probably made him switch gears or maybe he simply wanted his daughter to know he's not a blind idiot. And frankly, it probably isn't on the top of the list of things bothering him in the moment. That would be Maria.
repetitious: I like the possibility that it's just the constant badgering that he finds repetitious and annoying. headcanon accepted.
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Post by missisa on Nov 21, 2021 15:35:17 GMT
OMG so many cool thing said here, thanks lemacd! I'll definately go for the option that the boys looked so military when they're caught by Captain von Plummer to impress their father (and to appease his fury!) but I just loved the idea of @augiesannie: hahaha so hillarious! True that the Captain barely moves a muscle in this scene, I'll give you that, but who needs to move muscles when you have a look that says it all?  Regarding the tie, no doubt it was a way to make him appear more serious and distant from everyone else as you said, I would also say that it goes natural with a person like the Captain who is not the typical untidy man at home, but quite the opposite (the kind of person who he would not take off a blazer jacket in public, for example). So cool you all guys discuss about this. Loved what lemacd said about the Captain busting Liesl and I'll quote: Totally agree! Regarding Maria's insistence on clothes for the children, I would say that for the Captain it is, in addition to being repetitive, an absolutely banal matter and out of place in equal parts, that is, a waste of time and energy for him, clearly infuriating. During his first encounters, I would say that Maria exasperates him, although the seed of love had been planted with the pineapple scene  When Maria goes to get her robe for me has a subtle point of attraction, not as high as the Laender has it, but they are two people who have already noticed each other and he already makes an impression on her (although Maria is not intimidated, but there is a certain unresolved sexual tension there). On the other hand, it is a way that she has to recover her energy: two cannot argue if one of them is in pijama, exactly as lemacd commented: |
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Post by missisa on Nov 21, 2021 15:55:53 GMT
By the way don't you think CP is actually holding back his laughter in this microsecond (see attachment, sorry I am not good inserting images). Or would I rather say exactly at the moment of the near-collision (I always seem to notice a certain real laugh - not from the character but from CP/JA). Attachments:
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 21, 2021 21:57:53 GMT
Bonus points to lemacd for expanding my vocabulary. I had to look up the meaning of deshabille - though the google images that it brought up were not exactly what I was expecting LOL. |
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Post by missisa on Nov 21, 2021 22:08:31 GMT
Deshabille means untidy, kinda tatty... not sure about other word since it does not mean unkempt or unclean. I use it quite often in Spanish though... it described so well to me that kind of surprise when you are catched at home when you're not groomed enough
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 21, 2021 22:22:11 GMT
When I looked it up it said "scantily clothed" hahaha. I'm not sure that the abbey nightgown fits in this category. hahahaha.
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 21, 2021 23:15:49 GMT
No, but I'm thinking that a 'gown' like that tends to sway when you are moving, and if you don't have much on underneath then when it touches your body, it reminds you that there isn't very much there. Maybe this is why she suddenly reached for her dressing gown, to give her another layer over it in case the captain could make out her outline?
I'm sure for a moment with him looking at her she felt really quite deshabille!
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Post by lemacd on Nov 22, 2021 2:09:13 GMT
Deshabille means untidy, kinda tatty... not sure about other word since it does not mean unkempt or unclean. I use it quite often in Spanish though... it described so well to me that kind of surprise when you are catched at home when you're not groomed enough My understanding and how I meant when I said en dashabille is less than properly dressed for the situation, maybe? Like, you go to visit someone and they open the door still in their robe and slippers, fully covered, not indecent, but they might make a joke about how they aren't really put together yet by saying, "please excuse me, you caught me en deshabille". Ok, the truth is I thought it made me sound clever and smart. I tried, lol. |
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Post by missisa on Nov 22, 2021 8:18:31 GMT
Exactly lemacd very well described hahah |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 22, 2021 19:36:56 GMT
And this shot makes me wonder, all over again, how they got themselves to a place where they do this lineup thing. I always think it MUST have started as a game that got out of hand because how on earth could any parent really require such behavior? I always thought that the lineup started after Agathe died only because FS mentions that this is when the whistles and orders began. Georg is beyond devastated, and is also unprepared to be the sole parent of his 7 children (I'm assuming the kids were mostly parented by their mother since he was away in the Navy for months at a time). Everyone's life is in chaos, so he falls back on what feels comfortable to him, which is military discipline. He starts treating his kids like they are unruly young cadets, not understandably emotional children. If he began barking orders at them, telling them where to stand and what whistle signal now belonged to each of them, they would be bewildered, but would have no other course of action except to comply. The household staff wouldn't dare criticize him to his face. He had no one in his life telling him that this parenting style was crazy....until Maria. |
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Post by missisa on Nov 22, 2021 21:04:42 GMT
And this shot makes me wonder, all over again, how they got themselves to a place where they do this lineup thing. I always think it MUST have started as a game that got out of hand because how on earth could any parent really require such behavior? I always thought that the lineup started after Agathe died only because FS mentions that this is when the whistles and orders began. Georg is beyond devastated, and is also unprepared to be the sole parent of his 7 children (I'm assuming the kids were mostly parented by their mother since he was away in the Navy for months at a time). Everyone's life is in chaos, so he falls back on what feels comfortable to him, which is military discipline. He starts treating his kids like they are unruly young cadets, not understandably emotional children. If he began barking orders at them, telling them where to stand and what whistle signal now belonged to each of them, they would be bewildered, but would have no other course of action except to comply. The household staff wouldn't dare criticize him to his face. He had no one in his life telling him that this parenting style was crazy....until Maria. always absolutely spot on! |
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 23, 2021 22:51:19 GMT
Well said! You’re probably right reverendcaptain, although I’m glad missisa liked the “it started as a game” option I’ve tried out once or twice. Perhaps it even started while Agathe was alive but morphed into something far less lighthearted when, as reverendcaptain says, he had to get control of things. |
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 23, 2021 22:54:41 GMT
Deshabille means untidy, kinda tatty... not sure about other word since it does not mean unkempt or unclean. I use it quite often in Spanish though... it described so well to me that kind of surprise when you are catched at home when you're not groomed enough My understanding and how I meant when I said en dashabille is less than properly dressed for the situation, maybe? Like, you go to visit someone and they open the door still in their robe and slippers, fully covered, not indecent, but they might make a joke about how they aren't really put together yet by saying, "please excuse me, you caught me en deshabille". Ok, the truth is I thought it made me sound clever and smart. I tried, lol. And you succeeded. |
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 23, 2021 22:58:18 GMT
By the way don't you think CP is actually holding back his laughter in this microsecond (see attachment, sorry I am not good inserting images). Or would I rather say exactly at the moment of the near-collision (I always seem to notice a certain real laugh - not from the character but from CP/JA). You know, I had to stare at it for a bit, but I think you’re right! And here’s a screencap of what I assume is an outtake, I got it from that video missisa posted. I don’t know how easy it will be for you to see but they look like they are having fun, at least she does.  |
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 16, 2022 19:51:10 GMT
What do you think Georg's approach was heading into Maria's room? Did he take the stairs two at a time, trying to get up there and find out what the heck was happening, then pull himself together before making an imposing entrance? Did he calmly stroll up with the same slow focused walk that he has when he enters the room? Was he watching from the doorway for minute before coming in to break up the party? I'm trying to picture his reaction to what he knew was his governess breaking the rules and the children acting crazy. Maybe he always has to look calm in case staff are watching him, so he can never go running through the house even if he wants to?
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Post by missisa on May 18, 2022 12:19:46 GMT
What do you think Georg's approach was heading into Maria's room? Did he take the stairs two at a time, trying to get up there and find out what the heck was happening, then pull himself together before making an imposing entrance? Did he calmly stroll up with the same slow focused walk that he has when he enters the room? Was he watching from the doorway for minute before coming in to break up the party? I'm trying to picture his reaction to what he knew was his governess breaking the rules and the children acting crazy. Maybe he always has to look calm in case staff are watching him, so he can never go running through the house even if he wants to? I have always imagined that he went upstairs without thinking, enraged by the scandal he was hearing (which probably disturbed his study, his preparations for the next day's trip or simply his midnight drink) and stormed into the room without thinking even for a second that what he was hearing was in fact singing. |
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Post by indigoblue on May 18, 2022 23:15:13 GMT
...Or maybe he approached more quietly to see what was going on, listening to the singing, and then - yes - began to sing along himself to the tune...?
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