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Post by lemacd on Nov 30, 2021 0:09:21 GMT
 I'm skipping ahead a bit because the Captain's comments to Liesl and the conversation about play clothes and discipline, etc happened in cap 32. That's not to say you can't bring those things up in this cap but, you know... anyway. You can't watch this movie more than once and not see these curtains and instantly pictures them as clothes. I think we get to see Maria's room again when she is changing for the party and Elsa comes to "help". I recall that they are striped. And her bed covers were different to match. So I guess my question to kick off the discussion is just... why? Why did they go through this redecorating for a temporary governess? It's a start... then you guys do that awesome thing you do where you talk about the really interesting things in the scene. |
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Post by missisa on Nov 30, 2021 11:20:36 GMT
One day you have to explain to me how works the numbering of the episodes and why this is cap. 33... also where does lemacd get this amazing images. anyway, answering the mainquestion: FS says in this sequence, when M says: "But these are fine": " New ones have been ordered." In the Spanish dubbed version -which I know by heart- FS says: " In spite of that, they have ALREADY been ordered", which leads me to think it was a planned renovation, regardless of which governess was about to occupy the room and for how long. Maybe it's the same for the original screenplay  |
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 30, 2021 23:46:37 GMT
Having renovated several rooms recently, I know only too well how curtains can age, both with use, UV light, moths(ug), and things dropped down them (mainly kids)!
So it occurred to me that perhaps after Fraulein Josephine left after only 12 hrs, the Capt and Frau Schmidt decided they ought to put the governess in a better room, as a means of encouraging her to stay. Usually in a big house, the governess would probably have been in the 'Staff Quarters', in a small, basic room on the next floor up with the rest of the staff members. Perhaps they felt a new nun deserved a better room nearer the kids, so got this room into action - maybe after a long period of little use? This might account for why they had previously decided to renew the curtains. Although I wouldn't mind those for myself!
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Post by lemacd on Dec 1, 2021 2:00:42 GMT
missisa the number simply refers to the fact that this is the 33rd thread started for the cap discussions. I suppose they don't need numbers but it might help to know where we are in the movie when we have a lot more. As for the caps, I get them from this website: movie-screencaps.com/the-sound-of-music-1965. There are pages and pages of caps, I suppose that is very true, that it has nothing to do with Maria, that the decision for new drapes was made before she was sent. As for the former governesses being in different quarters, that would make a lot of sense except that Liesl said climbing up through the window was how they played tricks. I suppose that could refer to any window in any room, but the implication, I think, is that Liesl meant that particular room. But you're right, curtains aren't eternal. Only these had plenty wear left... but that is a very subjective opinion. What might be great for running around the countryside might not be very pretty in a window. A sentence that would sound very weird out of context...
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Post by missisa on Dec 1, 2021 20:19:39 GMT
missisa the number simply refers to the fact that this is the 33rd thread started for the cap discussions. I suppose they don't need numbers but it might help to know where we are in the movie when we have a lot more. As for the caps, I get them from this website: movie-screencaps.com/the-sound-of-music-1965. Oh thank you so much for clarifying this to me, never seen the screencaps before and it's awesome, almost frame by frame 😍 I agree the governesses room must have been that one for ages, but hey, maybe @indigoblue is right and it all comes from some other governess running away like hell after seeing those curtains 😂 (I disagree with Maria: no matter how much I like the children's play clothes and how much love I've put into the "old drapes": they're awful) |
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Post by indigoblue on Dec 1, 2021 23:26:09 GMT
Actually I just thought that although the Captain and Frau Schmidt were planning to get new curtains for Maria's room, it didn't mean they were going to get rid of the old ones: in fact, maybe Georg rather fancied them for his room? This would certainly explain his eye-popping expression on the journey back from Vienna when he sees HIS curtains hanging out of the roadside trees...
I can see why he was miffed with Maria for purloining them without asking...!
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Post by lemacd on Dec 2, 2021 2:38:39 GMT
Actually I just thought that although the Captain and Frau Schmidt were planning to get new curtains for Maria's room, it didn't mean they were going to get rid of the old ones: in fact, maybe Georg rather fancied them for his room? This would certainly explain his eye-popping expression on the journey back from Vienna when he sees HIS curtains hanging out of the roadside trees... I can see why he was miffed with Maria for purloining them without asking...! omg can this become a fanfic PLEASE?! |
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Post by whiskersonkittens on Dec 2, 2021 5:30:39 GMT
How interesting a question! I always interpreted it as they were renovating the entire house because Georg was going to be inviting the Baroness soonish (and so wanted it to be nice for her) and well, you may as well do the whole house and that includes the governess room too. But I do like the idea of Georg wanting them for his room! haha
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Post by missisa on Dec 2, 2021 14:26:23 GMT
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No way! this curtains are of doubtful taste and mostly feminine, but I'd love to read a humorous fic about this!!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Dec 2, 2021 20:16:42 GMT
I think that the ordering of curtains (and other items that wear out) is done on a schedule. That's how it works in (well managed) commercial and residential buildings at least. Maybe the captain runs his villa this way too? The drapes, carpet, paint, etc would never look worn out because it would be replaced before it ever got to that point. One could argue that this is wasteful, but it keeps things always looking nice, which would be important for someone of the captain's standing. In short, I don't think it had anything to do with Maria. It was just a lovely coincidence that she is provided with the material that she is lacking in the moment that she needs it.
It is awesome that this scene highlights her skill set (making 7 outfits plus her whole wardrobe in short order is very impressive) while also making it clear that she is paying no mind to the captain's (ridiculous) rules. No wonder these kids are so taken with her.
As for the pattern, yikes. Though, styles were different in that time. And it has to be a recognizable pattern so that the audience is sure what is happening. If the drapes were just a solid dark blue or something, it wouldn't have been as striking when they walk out of the gate for the picnic wearing them. It also adds to the drama of The Argument that he feels embarrassed that his children were in town wearing crazy patterned drape outfits.
Do you think he could hear her continuing to sing (after she hatches her plan to use the drapes for playclothes) when he had just told her to acquire some discipline? Or did he hurry to the safety of his room after this debacle?
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Post by galan on Dec 2, 2021 22:50:04 GMT
Do you think he could hear her continuing to sing (after she hatches her plan to use the drapes for playclothes) when he had just told her to acquire some discipline? Or did he hurry to the safety of his room after this debacle? Hmm, I think I might be a fence-sitter here. I can completely see a scenario in which he does hear her singing in total defiance despite her rather pathetic nod of agreement at acquiring some discipline. However, given that the children are out of the picture for the night, his hands are basically tied, as has been discussed elsewhere (that's the state of memory when work recipes aren't involved, lol). He could hardly be seen going back to the governess's room when she's alone and almost in bed. Not a good look. However, there is that time period after he closes the door when Maria is--quietly for her--voicing her annoyance and trying to come up with a plan. Her initial singing is rather quiet as well, so that probably would have flown under the radar. As for her later, significantly louder singing, depending where he goes to and how fast he walks (desperate to get away from the troublesome soon-to-be nun?), I can see a world in which he didn't hear her, or it was so muffled it could be attributed to a rogue final clap of thunder via willful ignorance. ("She'll fall in line and everything will be the way it was.") |
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Post by indigoblue on Dec 5, 2021 16:18:32 GMT
I think by the time she reached her final crescendo he thought she was beyond hope.
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Post by augiesannie on Dec 5, 2021 19:13:58 GMT
My comments here are to agree with reverendcaptain that "the curtains have been ordered" is the hallmark of a well managed household (not to mention that otherwise Maria would be destroying property!), although I also like whiskersonkittens idea that improvements are in order owing to Elsa's visit (although said visit was finalized just hours before, but maybe G anticipated it, perhaps having extended the invitation already?) and I know we are joking but I really don't see the man caring about draperies. I do really admire lemacd having done her research about the subsequent changes. |
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Post by lemacd on Dec 6, 2021 19:40:02 GMT
augiesannie perhaps that is what the telegram was all about. Darling Georg stop. The lame excuse about the drapes won't work. stop. Order new ones because I'm coming to visit stop.
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Post by indigoblue on Dec 6, 2021 23:00:00 GMT
And make them silk.stop.
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