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Post by indigoblue on May 6, 2023 0:03:00 GMT
We have talked about life in the abbey before now (though I can't find the thread), but here is a 36-minute documentary about life in a real convent which I found very absorbing and illuminating: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfwTSZzjh8EFollow Dolores Hart's life story from being a Hollywood actress in the 50s who played opposite Elvis and Marlon Brando, who then gave it all up in her twenties for a life at the convent. Make sure to see the end around 32:00, which I found really touching for the people featured there, but it also occurred to me that, had Maria returned to the abbey, this is what might have been...
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 8, 2023 19:28:37 GMT
Interesting!
I don't think Maria could have made it. I seems like this woman was living life in the fast lane. Hollywood movies, Broadway shows, handsome leading men. She was suffering from exhaustion from the life she was leading. The convent gave her peace and calm orderly expectation. Maria was longing for adventure, not desperately needing to slow down. I think she would have felt trapped in the abbey long term.
I found this fascinating though. It really humanized the women at the convent. They have the same struggles we all have.
They cut the one nun's hair before giving her her wimple. This is proof for me that Maria's hair has not always been that short!
I like that they drink wine at dinner. I love the man who was still in love with Delores after 50+ years and still goes to visit her. I'm glad that they feel it is ok to hold hands and say "I love you" and kiss chastely on the lips in parting. It is sweet and a little sad that he still wants to be with her even though he has made peace with the fact that she belongs at the convent. Would Georg have done the same?
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Post by indigoblue on May 15, 2023 23:58:09 GMT
In the note below, it says he was ill (which they both knew then), and died soon after. Heartrending.
I like the way that although (I think) they are not allowed to talk at dinner, they nevertheless have lovely music to listen to.
It's interesting you talking about Dolores living life in the fast lane and getting exhausted and needing to slow down; I know the elder sister of the nun who has her hair cut halfway through the documentary, in her acceptance into the convent ceremony. I had heard of her high intelligence and capability from when she was young, and her voyage through Oxford into politics (she dated a young man who later became a British Prime Minister), then into high-level corporate strategy in the US, where she became embroiled in drink and drugs (which she alludes to). I was told of the documentary, and it is fascinating to see her here being candid about her next life (she has been at the convent 10 years now). A very different life...
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Post by Chris&Byng on May 21, 2023 0:49:06 GMT
We have talked about life in the abbey before now (though I can't find the thread), but here is a 36-minute documentary about life in a real convent which I found very absorbing and illuminating: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfwTSZzjh8EFollow Dolores Hart's life story from being a Hollywood actress in the 50s who played opposite Elvis and Marlon Brando, who then gave it all up in her twenties for a life at the convent. Make sure to see the end around 32:00, which I found really touching for the people featured there, but it also occurred to me that, had Maria returned to the abbey, this is what might have been... I remember hearing about Dolores at the dinner table growing up in a Catholic family...although I never appreciated the 'scope' of her life as a kid. I just watched this little video and it was so sobering and fascinating - and I ended up with a tear or two. Mostly for Don. What a dear man to be faithful to her all those years and he never married. I wonder if this could be Maria and Georg if Maria had not returned. Would he have actually been able to marry again? You also have to wonder how much this story influenced the Bob Wise version of the SofM because she joined the convent at about the same time as early production would have been underway in 1963. Thanks for sharing
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Post by augiesannie on May 31, 2023 17:00:21 GMT
this was a great share indigoblue. A lot of interesting surprises! Although it took me right back to wondering what, exactly, the real Maria or the fictional one was doing in a convent in the first place. An odd place for someone longing for adventure, as reverendcaptain reminds us. I know what she said in her memoir and I tried to write about it in one of my stories, but I never really felt that it rang true. Maybe because I don't have the "right" faith.
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 24, 2023 23:36:25 GMT
I should think that the real Maria's unsettled childhood and abusive uncle made her long for stability and protection from the world's harshness.
I know somebody who visits an old friend in a convent from time to time, and she remarked upon the amazingly unlined faces of the nuns, even in their 90s. In fact, it is difficult to age the nuns because of this, and the fact that their hair is covered by their wimples means there is surprisingly little by which to age them. This friend is sure it is because of the steady, supportive community in which they live which shields them from the bumps and scrapes of life in the outside world.
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 31, 2023 13:42:28 GMT
Agree re: the uncle. Also interesting: I just reread the parts of her memoir where she describes her abrupt return to religion after hearing a priest preach in a church where she'd gone to hear the music. (I tried to use this idea in a recent story). Here's something I found online, I forget where:
She never had money to pay for concernt tickets, but she was hungry for music and in Vienna there was always music. On a Sunday morning she could just look in a newspaper and find that a mass by Mozart would be played in St. Stephen’s Cathedral at 8 o’clock and a mass by Hayden in the Franciscan Church at 9 a.m.; then at 10:30 she would be running to be among the first in the Imperial Chapel at the Palace because the Vienna Philharmonic would play, the Vienna Boy’s Choir would sing, and the bishop would celebrate the mass. The mass was uninteresting to her, but the combination of the choir boys and the philharmonic was the great weekly highlight which she almost never missed. So passed the four years in Vienna. On Palm Sunday of her graduating year she was aimlessly sauntering through the inner part of Vienna during the afternoon when she saw the people converge from all sides on the big Jesuit church. Ah, Palm Sunday. It can only mean the St. Matthew Passion by Bach. So she joined the group and was taken in with the stream of people into the very middle of the church. It was so densely packed that it was impossible to even faint. But there was no music. It happened to be the last sermon in a series of Lenten messages by the very famous Jesuit preacher, Father Kronseder. He talked about the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Chris. Now she had heard from her uncle that all of these Bible stories were inventions and old legends, and that there wasn’t a word of truth in them. But the way this man talked just swept her off her feet. She was completely overwhelmed by it, and she worked her way through the crowd to the pulpit. As he came down the stairs she grabbed him by the elbow and said loudly and distinctly, “Do you believe all this?” With this started a new life for Maria. Once again God was back in her life.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 8, 2023 20:51:50 GMT
Agree re: the uncle. Also interesting: I just reread the parts of her memoir where she describes her abrupt return to religion after hearing a priest preach in a church where she'd gone to hear the music. (I tried to use this idea in a recent story). Here's something I found online, I forget where: She never had money to pay for concernt tickets, but she was hungry for music and in Vienna there was always music. On a Sunday morning she could just look in a newspaper and find that a mass by Mozart would be played in St. Stephen’s Cathedral at 8 o’clock and a mass by Hayden in the Franciscan Church at 9 a.m.; then at 10:30 she would be running to be among the first in the Imperial Chapel at the Palace because the Vienna Philharmonic would play, the Vienna Boy’s Choir would sing, and the bishop would celebrate the mass. The mass was uninteresting to her, but the combination of the choir boys and the philharmonic was the great weekly highlight which she almost never missed. So passed the four years in Vienna. On Palm Sunday of her graduating year she was aimlessly sauntering through the inner part of Vienna during the afternoon when she saw the people converge from all sides on the big Jesuit church. Ah, Palm Sunday. It can only mean the St. Matthew Passion by Bach. So she joined the group and was taken in with the stream of people into the very middle of the church. It was so densely packed that it was impossible to even faint. But there was no music. It happened to be the last sermon in a series of Lenten messages by the very famous Jesuit preacher, Father Kronseder. He talked about the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Chris. Now she had heard from her uncle that all of these Bible stories were inventions and old legends, and that there wasn’t a word of truth in them. But the way this man talked just swept her off her feet. She was completely overwhelmed by it, and she worked her way through the crowd to the pulpit. As he came down the stairs she grabbed him by the elbow and said loudly and distinctly, “Do you believe all this?” With this started a new life for Maria. Once again God was back in her life. I usually picture those who are called to religious vocation as having always been immersed in that religion. I know that is not always the case, but it still surprises me when I hear stories of people who aren't even sure they believe in God who later decide to devote their life to a religious order. What a life change! It is not surprising that music is what brought Maria to church each week. I wonder if there were other music options out there and she just liked the sound of church choirs, or if this was the only free music available at the time.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 9, 2023 1:01:43 GMT
I should think that the real Maria's unsettled childhood and abusive uncle made her long for stability and protection from the world's harshness. I know somebody who visits an old friend in a convent from time to time, and she remarked upon the amazingly unlined faces of the nuns, even in their 90s. In fact, it is difficult to age the nuns because of this, and the fact that their hair is covered by their wimples means there is surprisingly little by which to age them. This friend is sure it is because of the steady, supportive community in which they live which shields them from the bumps and scrapes of life in the outside world. This reminds me of a book I am reading about the places in the world with the highest concentrations of people over 100 years old. The author is trying to decipher habits that are consistent throughout the varied places. He came up with: having a clear purpose, moving/exercising naturally (such as gardening), eating simple nutritious meals, limiting stress, having supportive people around you, and feeling that you belong, among other things. I would think that a convent would provide all of these. I can see how people there would age without the illness and stress that plague so many people in this world. It is probably a very peaceful life.
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 9, 2023 23:52:15 GMT
Interesting!
Another thing my friend said, which made me smile, is that many of the nuns are whizzos on computers, because there is time both for the younger ones to teach the older ones, and and for them to practice. And several of the most adept are in their 80s and 90s, which you only realise when they take off their wimples!
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