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Post by dontevenknowher on Jun 4, 2023 1:37:55 GMT
I read something somewhere (apologies, I don’t remember what or where, just that it planted a little seed in my head) that got me thinking about the exchange right after the good Captain tells the aspiring N*zi to kick rocks.
The Captain seems to retreat inwards upset, angry, and perhaps a little disconcerted about the direction things are headed politically in his beloved homeland. He knows the n*zis are knocking at the door, and then finds one in his own backyard, quite obviously after his own daughter! The Baroness, having witnessed the whole thing, sees him withdraw and tries to gently cajole him out of his funk. Now where have we heard that before?
It struck me as almost an echo of his proclaiming that she pulled him out of his despair. But what really caught me this time, was that almost as soon as he begins to respond to her trying to bring him back out, what happens? The children and their governess. He’s just turned and finally responding to the Baroness, and suddenly he’s fully focused on his rambunctious children and their ringleader, ignoring the Baroness completely by striding away purposefully. I’m not sure if microcosm is the word for this, but it really resonated to me that isn’t this exactly what happens in the thick of this story? Yes, the Baroness is the one to first get him to start coming out, but Maria is the one who fully gets his attention; she and the children (but she’s the one standing for the children) are the ones who truly bring him out of his darkness, and back into himself.
It really just kind of struck me how telling that seemingly small moment is when you compare it to the whole of his redemption arc, if you will.
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Post by augiesannie on Jun 4, 2023 16:39:34 GMT
what a great reflection dontevenknowher! A nice bit of foreshadowing indeed. I don't like to overdo the whole "Elsa is a villain" thing, but note that she puts it in terms of herself, "Is there any way I could bring you back to the world I'm in?" but there is no question that he is in the process of turning his attention to her in a thin sort of way ....
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Post by dontevenknowher on Jun 5, 2023 2:03:46 GMT
Foreshadowing! That’s the word! How did I forget that one haha
And very good point about her phrasing being very centered on herself. I love then that it’s the children’s gaiety that brings him fully back. And wouldn’t you know it, they’re singing.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jun 20, 2023 19:50:19 GMT
Love this dontevenknowher! This is the first of many times Elsa is trying to get his undivided attention, and Maria steals it without trying. Whenever Maria is in his sight, she has Georg's attention. And while Elsa may have brought some meaning back to his life, it is absolutely Maria that makes him whole again. On a completely random side note, when I was in second grade, I had a school friend that would whisper "Hellooo. You're far away. Where are you?" whenever she was behind me in line. Then we'd try to not laugh so hard that the teacher would notice. We both liked TSOM and had a fascination with this scene because to 7 year olds, it made no sense at all. Why was she using that tone of voice? And why was she asking someone who was standing next to her where he was? It still makes me laugh to think about it.
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Post by indigoblue on Jun 26, 2023 23:46:35 GMT
I think it's a measure of how detached from him she feels - he has clearly done it before, in Vienna, and she doesn't know how to connect with him when he is like that.
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Post by augiesannie on Jun 29, 2023 17:56:06 GMT
Love this dontevenknowher! This is the first of many times Elsa is trying to get his undivided attention, and Maria steals it without trying. Whenever Maria is in his sight, she has Georg's attention. And while Elsa may have brought some meaning back to his life, it is absolutely Maria that makes him whole again. On a completely random side note, when I was in second grade, I had a school friend that would whisper "Hellooo. You're far away. Where are you?" whenever she was behind me in line. Then we'd try to not laugh so hard that the teacher would notice. We both liked TSOM and had a fascination with this scene because to 7 year olds, it made no sense at all. Why was she using that tone of voice? And why was she asking someone who was standing next to her where he was? It still makes me laugh to think about it. this is totally adorable and also I just tried to tell my husband about it and I was laughing so hard I couldn't speak. It's contagious!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 18, 2023 22:04:41 GMT
I agree that Elsa is being self centered here. She has to know where he is when he's far away. He's haunted with memories of war and desperate to avoid another one. Yet, she doesn't ask about that. There's no "I'm sorry, Georg. I can see how much this upsets you. Is there anything I can do to help?" or "Do you want to talk about it, or should I give you some space?" She just wants him to put on a happy face and get back to pleasant chatting while strolling along with his riding crop and grabbing her behind. It makes me wonder how well she really knows him.
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