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Post by serialshippersince4e on Oct 8, 2024 8:34:36 GMT
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 8, 2024 23:35:10 GMT
I just find it impossible not to see them as Georg and Maria fifty years on...so clearly there will be the same look as in their youths, won't there?!
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 9, 2024 0:29:49 GMT
Wow serialshippersince4e, that is a great catch. That look is simultaneously vulnerable and stern all at once, am I right? It is also fun to see it in the context of this scene where he bares more of his soul. Yum! |
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Post by serialshippersince4e on Oct 9, 2024 10:39:52 GMT
Wow serialshippersince4e, that is a great catch. That look is simultaneously vulnerable and stern all at once, am I right? It is also fun to see it in the context of this scene where he bares more of his soul. Yum! And in both he is terrified of losing her, even if we are not sure if Georg was already conscious of it in that scene. But Chris definitely was, given that we have heard multiple times that the "nothing was the same line" was said both as Georg and himself |
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Post by serialshippersince4e on Oct 9, 2024 10:41:33 GMT
I just find it impossible not to see them as Georg and Maria fifty years on...so clearly there will be the same look as in their youths, won't there?! I lowkey believe that there is a non-zero chance that CP did fall for Julie back then and never really stopped, Elaine notwithstanding... |
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 11, 2024 18:40:30 GMT
I just find it impossible not to see them as Georg and Maria fifty years on...so clearly there will be the same look as in their youths, won't there?! I lowkey believe that there is a non-zero chance that CP did fall for Julie back then and never really stopped, Elaine notwithstanding... I do and don't agree. Definitely agree he had a thing for her that never went away. And of course he was still in the last phases of his second marriage. But not only was Julie also married, but I don't know that if they had had a fling, that would have been IT for him. I got the sense that he had to kind of hit bottom before he was ready for Elaine and also she was willing to devote herself to taking care of him in a way that Julie would never have done. I guess just a case of the difference between a crush and what it takes to go the distance. Thoughts? |
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 11, 2024 23:14:24 GMT
Yes, part of me thinks it remained a beautiful lifelong relationship because they DIDN'T do anything.
I just remember that Julie was all wound up with her first child Emma whenever she wasn't on set (not often), and in the throes of a failing marriage. Add to that the fact that CP didn't like kids, and was also on shifting sand at home, and there's a perfect storm to erupt - except they kept their distance, and they remained friends for a lifetime.
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Post by serialshippersince4e on Oct 12, 2024 7:49:31 GMT
I lowkey believe that there is a non-zero chance that CP did fall for Julie back then and never really stopped, Elaine notwithstanding... I do and don't agree. Definitely agree he had a thing for her that never went away. And of course he was still in the last phases of his second marriage. But not only was Julie also married, but I don't know that if they had had a fling, that would have been IT for him. I got the sense that he had to kind of hit bottom before he was ready for Elaine and also she was willing to devote herself to taking care of him in a way that Julie would never have done. I guess just a case of the difference between a crush and what it takes to go the distance. Thoughts? You put my thoughts in much greater detail than I could have, thanks! |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 16, 2024 15:12:06 GMT
Do you think the acting in TSOM would have changed if they had been involved in real life? Would it have taken away from the vulnerable scenes where they don't know where they stand with each other? Or because they are both professionals, it wouldn't have mattered?
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 18, 2024 23:33:03 GMT
In a funny sort of way I think it would have added to the intimacy they had in their looks towards each other and their body language, but I think their professionalism would have carried them through the vulnerable scenes well too. They do have remarkable screen chemistry, which I can only think was partially real.
Incidentally, do you think that, to have onscreen chemistry, the two actors have to (at least) like each other? Fancy each other? Admire each other?
I ask because some pairs of people have NO onscreen chemistry; do these people actively dislike each other? Find each other boring? If so, why did the director cast them in those roles?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 23, 2024 13:42:36 GMT
In a funny sort of way I think it would have added to the intimacy they had in their looks towards each other and their body language, but I think their professionalism would have carried them through the vulnerable scenes well too. They do have remarkable screen chemistry, which I can only think was partially real. Incidentally, do you think that, to have onscreen chemistry, the two actors have to (at least) like each other? Fancy each other? Admire each other? I ask because some pairs of people have NO onscreen chemistry; do these people actively dislike each other? Find each other boring? If so, why did the director cast them in those roles? Good question. I just looked up a list of actors who supposedly hated each other but had onscreen chemistry. Unfortunately, I haven't seen most of the movies/shows. I think you at least have to have respect for the other person or it would somehow come out on screen that you dislike each other. I suppose some actors could just be that good that it wouldn't matter, but the stars spend so much time together, I just don't think they could make it through years of work pretending to like/love each other if they despised each other in real life. Can anyone come up with names of actors who disliked each other and had good chemistry? Or people who did like each other and had no chemistry? I need some real world examples to ponder on this. I read that David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson (Mulder and Scully from the X Files) didn't like each other, but I think they had amazing onscreen chemistry. Though, every interview I have seen with them, they are laughing and touching each other. They look like they are a couple. I think the "they hate each other!" rumor was started to sell magazines. Or maybe they had things that mildly annoyed each other on the set, which anyone would after working a decade with someone. This doesn't count as hating each other. I need some more extreme examples. |
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Post by utility_singer on Nov 11, 2024 2:13:02 GMT
Yes, part of me thinks it remained a beautiful lifelong relationship because they DIDN'T do anything. They actually admitted that, in the Diane Sawyer interview----that they'd stayed such close friends because they hadn't had a "smashing" affair. |
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 12, 2024 23:55:08 GMT
Having watched the Definitive BioPic of CP posted in 'Stuff about CP' here, any relationship he had with Julie at that time would have been a disaster. Once he had been 'rescued' by Elaine, his third wife, he admitted he became a different/better person...but then that would have meant he couldn't have Julie - or would it?!
What I mean is that, at the time of the making of TSOM, CP was a hard-drinking womaniser with no interest in children (Julie had an 18-month old daughter), so my thinking is that the longer it remained a flirtation, the better. Maybe that was what was on his/her minds during the film, although it didn't stop the intense attraction between them.
So maybe they were going through a sort of 'What Might Have Been' rehearsal of their romance in the gazebo, which made it all the more poignant, and that is what we sense.
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