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Post by augiesannie on Oct 29, 2013 1:26:40 GMT
I love this moment in the film. And I'm probably reading too much into it (who, me?) but I think it says that M may not be experienced, but she's enthusiastic.  |
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Post by utility_singer on Oct 29, 2013 1:56:34 GMT
Oh, I absolutely agree! I think she's got quite a passionate nature, in all areas.
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Post by lemacd on Oct 29, 2013 2:55:21 GMT
i always thought the way she falls onto his shoulder after they kiss kind of shows her inexperience, maybe she knows she is blushing and can't bring herself to look at him (not ashamed, just... suddenly her senses are heightened and it is all new. and maybe her knees were giving out and she needed to hold on to him so she didn't fall down). but i totally agree, she is not timid. and quite passionate.
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Post by utility_singer on Oct 29, 2013 3:43:59 GMT
i always thought the way she falls onto his shoulder after they kiss kind of shows her inexperience, maybe she knows she is blushing and can't bring herself to look at him (not ashamed, just... suddenly her senses are heightened and it is all new. and maybe her knees were giving out and she needed to hold on to him so she didn't fall down). but i totally agree, she is not timid. and quite passionate. The knees were definitely giving out! I think she needed to fall on his shoulder to literally and figuratively catch her breath. Of course, this is coming from someone who literally fainted the first time I kissed the man I eventually married.  |
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Post by lemacd on Oct 29, 2013 3:49:43 GMT
that's adorable! did you forget to breathe or something??  |
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Post by utility_singer on Oct 29, 2013 4:30:57 GMT
Yep. And I was too nervous to eat all day. Just coffee, you know, to calm the nerves. Didn't work.
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Post by lemacd on Oct 29, 2013 4:38:05 GMT
awww.
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Post by mie779 on Nov 1, 2013 13:10:37 GMT
Agree to you all... she IS a passionate woman, she is just caught "ofguard" on how much the kiss affects her, hence the need to lean her head on his shoulder.... (by the way, love that moment ; ) And yes she is inexperienced too... but got to love Georg being ever so gentle with her |
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Post by utility_singer on Nov 1, 2013 13:59:21 GMT
I love the way he starts running his fingers through her hair.......
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 1, 2013 15:37:16 GMT
yup. you can practically feel those fingers on your neck!
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Post by cass on Sept 15, 2014 12:39:44 GMT
I'm reading a fanfic update (Downton Abbey, what's new?), and I just want to throw this particularly astute line out there: "Innocence is a powerful aphrodisiac." Clearly, my mind jumped straight to this. And our conversations last night. Truth all around. |
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 15, 2014 14:36:50 GMT
I find it helps to put yourself in Maria's shoes at the time of the kiss - it explains a lot of her reactions.
Firstly at the gazebo she is alone and devastated that he is engaged; then he suddenly appears, but it is not clear what he wants. It is only when he finally kisses her that she has to confront that enormous decision of whether to abandon her life's commitment to God, or not. And in those moments after the kiss where nothing happens, she is, I am sure, making her choice - finally collapsing into his arms when she knows she cannot resist being with him. So the fact that she collapses is partially a 'retreat' from a huge commitment to another life that she thought she would be leading until a few seconds before.
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Post by cass on Sept 15, 2014 14:56:28 GMT
I just love that the Maria we all envision is an enthusiastic pioneer on fronts she has not truly known when it comes to that kiss and what it speaks to as far as characterizing her. As for all things in life, it seems, her passion is practically rampant here and it's truly amazing how much can be gleaned from such little nuances.
It makes me appreciate this film all the more. And feeds more to my fire against all the naysayers that complain she's too passive post-honeymoon. Really, now? There's more than a little truth to "for everything there is a season!" She demonstrates more strength of character in my eyes by knowing when it's best to stand down than by being an unsupportive, argumentative wife in those moments where Max is trying to have his piece heard. But, I digress...
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Post by utility_singer on Sept 15, 2014 15:11:12 GMT
I agree---at first she offers that it would be wonderful to let them sing 'just this once'; yet knows him well enough that when he stares Max down a few moments later that she needs to stand on her husband's ground with him. Just wonderful. Also, we always chat about Maria's reactions in the gazebo, and I found this still of G's face that just illustrates how deeply relieved and happy he is when she falls against him. Sorry it is so big, but talk about pure contentment:  |
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Post by cass on Sept 15, 2014 15:21:28 GMT
Never feel the need to apologize for massive photos of these two loving on each other.
He's like a little boy discovering Christmas has come early -- and to me, at least, extremely vulnerable in that moment. And her, you can just see the pure relief and joy just in her posture -- like she must hang on and never let go. So much happening all at once, and their reaction is simply to hold onto each other for dear life. And him play with her neck/hair. Aaaaaah.
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Post by utility_singer on Sept 15, 2014 15:28:29 GMT
And of course, my mind always wander to how much is simply marvelous acting, and how much is just fun to have an excuse to hold each other for a while!
There are some movies with wonderful, romantic/hot scenes and you find out later that the actors couldn't stand one another--and you just think "wow, they are pretty damn good if they made it look real". These two, I *know* how talented they are, and we know how much they adore each other even now.....
just some delicious food for thought.
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Post by cass on Sept 15, 2014 15:39:47 GMT
I honestly tend to like acting duos better who are good friends, whether I know it going in or discover after the fact. It adds true dimension and substance to what happens on screen in a way that cannot be quantified. You can go to potentially difficult places with one another (i.e. that argument scene) and know that, no matter what, you've got each other's backs and this is going to yield the best result possible. And it makes sweet scenes like the gazebo scene all the more palpable.
I think that the same goes for solid actor/director relationships, too, which we know were pretty well-grounded for TSOM. To quote Julie, "aren't we lucky, or what?!"
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 15, 2014 18:07:10 GMT
I love how gentle he is with her, too - remembering that he, too, doesn't know what her reaction will be if he kisses her!
For all he knows, she may blat him with her palm if she isn't actually keen (or keen enough) on him, especially for besmirching her unblemished record with God. So the way he slightly pussyfoots around the issue, and only kisses her so slowly, and so gently, is just heavenly, giving her every opportunity to retreat out of it without it getting embarrassing. Just imagine how difficult it would be in the next few days if she refuses him (especially when he has just asked her to stay) - she would feel obliged to go back to the Abbey straightaway, just when they told her (in as many words) she wasn't up to being a nun!
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Post by utility_singer on Sept 15, 2014 18:32:47 GMT
That's sort of what I was getting at, cass----we know they were always a bit sweet on each other, but to public knowledge they never were more than friends; but to get that opportunity to express feelings they probably never could/would in real life just would make that scene so, to borrow your word, palpable, in a way that purely acting maybe couldn't? I've always thought that contributed to the giggling fits while filming. Not sure I'm expressing it well. I'll just content myself to watching over and over and over again {sigh} |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 22:20:55 GMT
I love how gentle he is with her, too - remembering that he, too, doesn't know what her reaction will be if he kisses her! YES!!!! I think that adds to much to that scene that he does move in slowly, very slowly and tenderly giving her every opportunity to stop it and making that kiss just so WOW!!! It also then contrasts their second kiss, the one completely in silhouette where she looks like she initiates it and it is MUCH more passionate. |
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Post by mie779 on Sept 16, 2014 12:02:16 GMT
I love how gentle he is with her, too - remembering that he, too, doesn't know what her reaction will be if he kisses her! YES!!!! I think that adds to much to that scene that he does move in slowly, very slowly and tenderly giving her every opportunity to stop it and making that kiss just so WOW!!! It also then contrasts their second kiss, the one completely in silhouette where she looks like she initiates it and it is MUCH more passionate. Love all of this... the screen cap is heaven... *sigh* the dreamy/content look on his face..... I could stare at it for hours...  and yes one can almost feel his fingers on my own skin when he gently runs his fingers through her hair and over his neck... *shivers* |
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 17, 2014 9:59:56 GMT
I've been thinking about why that kiss always gets me - after all, I have seen endless screen kisses, but none like this.
Then it occurred to me, most 'first kisses' between screen stars are full-on, in a clinch, then a passionate French kiss - the whole hog, which leaves little to the imagination, and afterwards can leave a bit of a damp squib (literally!) The difference with this kiss is that all that love is conferred onto the most gentle and lingering kiss on the lips - discreet, respectful of her vocation as nun, and just 'putting his case' wordlessly, rather than forcing her into anything she might not like. In particular, it is an evocation of a deep, respectful love for a woman he has had a chance to observe over a period of time.
And for me, that is it: the understatement of all that love actually makes it seem all the greater because the intensity of it is left to our imagination, and this actually magnifies it because it is an unknown quantity, rather than a quantified thing. Having to imagine things for oneself makes one feel the passion all the more - which is why, I think, I get so engaged in it...
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Post by utility_singer on Sept 17, 2014 11:02:18 GMT
I've been thinking about why that kiss always gets me - after all, I have seen endless screen kisses, but none like this. Then it occurred to me, most 'first kisses' between screen stars are full-on, in a clinch, then a passionate French kiss - the whole hog, which leaves little to the imagination, and afterwards can leave a bit of a damp squib (literally!) The difference with this kiss is that all that love is conferred onto the most gentle and lingering kiss on the lips - discreet, respectful of her vocation as nun, and just 'putting his case' wordlessly, rather than forcing her into anything she might not like. In particular, it is an evocation of a deep, respectful love for a woman he has had a chance to observe over a period of time. And for me, that is it: the understatement of all that love actually makes it seem all the greater because the intensity of it is left to our imagination, and this actually magnifies it because it is an unknown quantity, rather than a quantified thing. Having to imagine things for oneself makes one feel the passion all the more - which is why, I think, I get so engaged in it... Yes, yes, yes to all of this. And I think it was touched on before, but seeing them both hurting----Maria upon her return when the kids spill the beans, Georg pining for her as she takes her lonely walk toward the lake-----makes it oh-so-sweet when he finally leans toward her after his declaration of love. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 11:11:08 GMT
Let's all go and watch the gazebo scene again......
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Post by augiesannie on Dec 27, 2014 1:59:27 GMT
I've been thinking about why that kiss always gets me - after all, I have seen endless screen kisses, but none like this. Then it occurred to me, most 'first kisses' between screen stars are full-on, in a clinch, then a passionate French kiss - the whole hog, which leaves little to the imagination, and afterwards can leave a bit of a damp squib (literally!) The difference with this kiss is that all that love is conferred onto the most gentle and lingering kiss on the lips - discreet, respectful of her vocation as nun, and just 'putting his case' wordlessly, rather than forcing her into anything she might not like. In particular, it is an evocation of a deep, respectful love for a woman he has had a chance to observe over a period of time. And for me, that is it: the understatement of all that love actually makes it seem all the greater because the intensity of it is left to our imagination, and this actually magnifies it because it is an unknown quantity, rather than a quantified thing. Having to imagine things for oneself makes one feel the passion all the more - which is why, I think, I get so engaged in it... Sigh. Time to watch AGAIN. |
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and yes one can almost feel his fingers on my own skin when he gently runs his fingers through her hair and over his neck... *shivers*