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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 23:55:00 GMT
I've always written into my stories that Georg introduced Maria to wine during their engagement.
I'm thinking of a wine tasting weekend away in the French countryside in a future Honeymoon Encounters chapter.
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Post by mireille on Jun 9, 2014 20:19:44 GMT
I've always written into my stories that Georg introduced Maria to wine during their engagement. I'm thinking of a wine tasting weekend away in the French countryside in a future Honeymoon Encounters chapter. You can do a Champagne tasting, as the Champagne area is around Paris.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 21:58:43 GMT
Good idea. I haven't gotten around to thinking of the finer details of that yet.
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Post by Irennuska on Jun 21, 2014 11:44:30 GMT
She probably was trying to stay out of the way--first, because she was quite humble and wouldn't have wanted to be noticed, and also remember the puppet show? "they're your children, Captain" when he tried to compliment her. And then, because, well, she's all dazed at being That Close to Him. You talk about 'Him' as though he's God. I mean, in a way He is... right, @utility_singer?
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Post by utility_singer on Jun 21, 2014 14:01:18 GMT
god with a little /g/, yes. like the Romans and the Greeks. His form should be carved in marble for all to admire.
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Post by Irennuska on Jun 22, 2014 14:46:55 GMT
god with a little /g/, yes. like the Romans and the Greeks. His form should be carved in marble for all to admire. AMEN, sister!!! LOL
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jun 30, 2020 3:29:16 GMT
A couple of items from this thread.
I do think that Liesl's champagne line in So Long Farewell was what was written for her to say. I imagine many people at the time (at least American audiences) would think that a 16 year old would never have had an alcoholic drink before. Her suggesting that she stay at the party and have champagne would make her feel like an adult, which is what she is so longing to be. Though, the line is "taste" my first champagne, so even the older audience that might be shocked by the thought of a teenager consuming alcohol could let this slide since she was just wanting to have a sip to pretend to be an adult at a party she was not old enough to be at. It's endearing how she walks over to her father during this line. Though, it was never going to work.
On to the second topic on this thread. When did Maria start consuming alcohol? Assuming that she had never had a drink before she came to the villa, then I think her first drink was during their honeymoon. She and Georg would never be left alone during the engagement, and I don't think she'd be willing to try this in front of other people knowing that she doesn't know what she's doing. She is pretty daring though, so maybe I am wrong and she starts having wine with dinner every night like the other adults. I just picture them alone in Paris and him showing her how to appreciate a nice drink, and how to not let yourself go overboard.
What do you all think?
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Post by riana11 on Jul 1, 2020 15:13:52 GMT
I agree about Liesl and the American audiences and how that line would come across, but with a lot of European families they are raised on wine or small amounts of other alcohol, so this always confused me. Maybe she has tried a taste of wine but never had champagne before.
I think the same with Maria, she may have had wine and also with the Catholic mass there is wine given at times with the Eucharist. I can see Georg though introducing her to finer more expensive wines, champagne and other spirits during their honeymoon.
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 1, 2020 22:40:07 GMT
Yes, many French children drink wine diluted with water from a very young age, the proportion of water decreasing as they get older. I assume Austrian children are similar, and I think Liesl's request relates to her being 16/17 and reaching her maturity.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jul 2, 2020 14:51:53 GMT
I think the same with Maria, she may have had wine and also with the Catholic mass there is wine given at times with the Eucharist. I can see Georg though introducing her to finer more expensive wines, champagne and other spirits during their honeymoon. Maria has definitely had wine at mass, though I would not really count this a drinking, as it is just a sip. It can't be counted as appreciating a fine wine either, as Communion wine (at least here) is very sweet and cheap/ almost grape juice like. Going way off topic, I wonder if wine will even be a thing at mass after we all come out of the Covid quarantine. I always avoided the wine because it was so germy to begin with - drinking out of the same cup as 100 other people with just a quick wipe with a cotton cloth in between is gross! I have heard that they are considering having individual sips of wine in plastic shot glasses for Communion. The thought of Eucharistic Ministers walking around with a tray of shot glasses like a pub waitress makes me laugh. Sorry if I'm offending any ultra religious among us, that's not my intention. Back to Maria, she's kind of crazy when she's sober. I wonder what she'd be like tipsy? I can see them laughing hysterically about pinecones while drinking in their honeymoon suite. Though, I wonder which things about the beginning of their relationship they look back on and think are funny, and which are topics that don't get brought back up. Whistles, for example. Is that funny to Georg now that he is out of the darkness, or does that just remind him of a time in his life that he'd rather forget?
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 8, 2020 23:41:25 GMT
I think Maria would be pretty wacky when tiddled...and if she mentioned The Argument, I'm sure he'd laugh in embarrassment, maybe apologise.
He has so much to learn from her, I think there's a lot he would wish he had done differently!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jul 28, 2023 1:30:45 GMT
Is champagne the only drink served at the party? I think it's the only one we see. I was thinking about this because I had a Vienna style lager beer the other day. It was delicious, and it got me wondering why no one drinks beer in this movie, at the party or any other time. Too low class? Better to be seen sipping wine and champagne than downing a brew?
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 28, 2023 21:54:46 GMT
My guess is that beer is too 'infra dig'.
Austrian wine is good and most is drunk within Austria, so I should think that was the more sophisticated thing to be seen drinking, along with Austrian champagne - very patriotic!
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 1, 2023 22:07:19 GMT
Perhaps they also served pink lemonade?
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 2, 2023 22:33:25 GMT
What is the pink in pink lemonade?
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