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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 12:14:42 GMT
I wish we had seen more of Frau Schmidt!
Her conversation with Maria on her first night at the villa really set the scene for the rest of the movie.
She tells us:
how devastated Georg was at the loss of Agathe
the baroness is really unlikely to be the 'mother' figure the children are looking for
and really, she likes to have a bit of a gossip to Maria even though "she shouldn't really be saying anything" not to Maria anyway as she doesn't really know her!
anyway, let's talk about Frau Schmidt!
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Post by augiesannie on Apr 27, 2014 12:18:49 GMT
....and because she is such a good utility infielder, I'm using her, as have others, to help Maria during the engagement. But part of me thinks that she would not be 100% cozy with Maria, that she might be a bit of a snob herself. But that's not really based on anything specific.
I also can't get over the feeling that she really bears the brunt of things in between A's death and M's marriage to G. Every time a governess leaves, she's apparently the one shoooing them outside for their walks, and I bet she gets stuck with a lot more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 12:27:27 GMT
Yes I can see how Frau Schmidt might be a bit snobbish.
I guess we have all 'used' her during the engagement period as some sort of facilitator/friend to Maria (and that's not wrong - well I don't think so anyway) but I wonder whether she would be happy to see the governess turn into the mistress of the house?
Except for the obvious (of telling us a bit of Georg's background) why she would be so eager to 'spill' to Maria?
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Post by mireille on Apr 27, 2014 17:00:38 GMT
I totally agree that we should have seen more of her.
She has been with the family a long time. I bet she has some great stories to tell.
Do you think she met the Baroness before, because to me she wasn’t very pleased with the fact that Elsa would become the ‘new mother’.
Maybe it’s like @augiesannie said she might feel some kind of setback when a new wife would enter the house.
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 27, 2014 17:18:57 GMT
Such insightful postings!
Personally, I think she'd be quite relieved when Maria worked out as governess, and then became mistress of the house. Not because the 'governess' did, but because of Maria herself. How could she not be happy with the Captain and the children so much happier? Much better than the thought of Elsa becoming the new boss! She wouldn't have to be picking up the slack of tending to the children anymore, at the very least.
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Post by mireille on Apr 27, 2014 18:12:36 GMT
Not because the 'governess' did, but because of Maria herself. How could she not be happy with the Captain and the children so much happier? Yes I think it would make her happy. After all she knew how Georg was before his wife died. It must have been diffivult for her als seeing the change in the family and nothing she can do about it It would have been lovely to see her standing in the church also. Elsa would have 'used' her for herself instead of the houshold. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 21:00:24 GMT
Yes I agree that FS would have been happy that Georg was happy but I think I was wondering based on augiesannies's observation of FS being a bit snobbish. So whether regardless to who Maria was whether she was happy that "the help" became "the boss"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 21:02:01 GMT
Yes! FS should have been at the church too (also Franz but because I don't like him, I don't care that he wasn't there)
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 27, 2014 23:14:19 GMT
I love Frau Schmidt! She is so real, partly because she is that unfashionable thing, a gossip...that is why she can't avoid chatting to Maria with all the goings-on, and her opinion has to come into it somewhere.
And I also love how we discuss absolutely everyone and everything here! Thanks, CharleyBec.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 23:30:51 GMT
I just quickly scanned in some pictures from my TSOM making of book of Frau Schmidt Attachment Deleted |
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 28, 2014 0:21:33 GMT
Yes I agree that FS would have been happy that Georg was happy but I think I was wondering based on augiesannies's observation of FS being a bit snobbish. So whether regardless to who Maria was whether she was happy that "the help" became "the boss" Gotcha. And yes, I could see her having difficulty accepting a 'co-worker' as her boss. I don't see her as snobby, though. Proper, yes, especially because of how disciplined G wanted the household to be; it would be her job to ensure things went as they were supposed to. She seems to me to warm to Maria quickly, when their extremely short conversation shows her that Maria wants to do what is best for the children. After caring for the family for so long, FS would surely have concern for them. That would be why she seems unenthused about the idea of G marrying E. As in many types of groups, word would travel between staffs of the various households, and she would have learned one way or another that E wasn't much for kids. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 0:51:06 GMT
That's cool, I kind of think both ways - that FS would accept Maria since she know how happy Maria makes Georg, but then maybe she might be a bit uncomfortable with maria suddenly being her boss.
I agree that she warmed to Maria very quickly too. I wonder how she was with the other 11 governesses (and whether she would have comforted Frauline Helga after the snake incident! lol!!)
I had a random thought earlier today - we all have FS being maria's friend etc especially during the engagement period, but it would be an interesting fanfic idea to have FS very opposed to our favourite couple for many reasons (not sure whether I would write it but interesting idea nonetheless)
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 28, 2014 2:16:14 GMT
It would be interesting, and probably tough to write. I would imagine she would need to be subtle in her opposition, or G would just fire her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 3:36:08 GMT
I think it would create all sorts of tension. You're right, FS would be very subtle or else G would fire her. I think it would end up being a bit of a mind game. FS dismissive of Maria, Maria complaining to Georg, Georg not seeing it as FS had been with him for eternity and was always local, creates tension between M and G. Yeah, I can see how a story like this could come about.
(and of course, in the end everything will be resolved and there will be a lot of make up kissing/sex or whatever)
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 28, 2014 3:52:11 GMT
Of course. And that would make it all worth it.
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Post by mireille on Apr 28, 2014 6:00:21 GMT
In the end the discussion leads to one thing and one thing only...... @charleybec
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 9:36:12 GMT
Frau Schmidt it seems is responsible (or her absense is responsible) for all sorts of hanky panky that goes on!!!
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 28, 2014 10:51:30 GMT
All roads lead to sexy time for G & M.
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 28, 2014 11:12:53 GMT
Sorry to divert the fascinating line of conversation, but the storyline where FS is antagonistic to Maria sounds remarkably like the novel 'Rebecca' by Daphne Du Maurier, where the 'new girl' in the household (with a buttoned-up sort like our captain for a husband) is rather plagued by Mrs Danvers, the housekeeper with a secret.
Not sure how many of you are aware of this book - maybe it is only well-known in this country, as it is set in Cornwall, England.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 11:44:53 GMT
All roads lead to sexy time for G & M. Ha Ha!!! Love this!!! I agree!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 11:48:32 GMT
Sorry to divert the fascinating line of conversation, but the storyline where FS is antagonistic to Maria sounds remarkably like the novel 'Rebecca' by Daphne Du Maurier, where the 'new girl' in the household (with a buttoned-up sort like our captain for a husband) is rather plagued by Mrs Danvers, the housekeeper with a secret. Not sure how many of you are aware of this book - maybe it is only well-known in this country, as it is set in Cornwall, England. Yes, I remember that book (and movie). Good comparison. I think I like Frau Schmidt too much to make her evil. Actually that storyline that I had in mind (i.e. of Maria being under-minded as the new wife and Georg not realising/listening for ages and not getting it and causing tensions then it all gets resolved in the hot and steamy way) I'm going to adapt into something else that I already had planned. It might take a while but I'll do it! |
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Post by augiesannie on Apr 28, 2014 17:51:12 GMT
Love the comparison to Rebecca.
Another variation on the FS scenario might be not so much that she's opposed to the marriage, but that she quite naturally finds herself constantly saying, "but that's not the way the last Baroness did it!" She might not do that out of antipathy for Maria, just stubbornness or habit. But Maria would experience it as undermining.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 4:33:32 GMT
Yes!!! Exactly what I had in mind too!!
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Post by mireille on Apr 29, 2014 5:28:19 GMT
You gave me a lovely idea for J&B I might put Frau Schmidt in 'complaining' about the Baroness. Not sure if it will work.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Apr 29, 2014 6:10:09 GMT
Sorry to divert the fascinating line of conversation, but the storyline where FS is antagonistic to Maria sounds remarkably like the novel 'Rebecca' by Daphne Du Maurier, where the 'new girl' in the household (with a buttoned-up sort like our captain for a husband) is rather plagued by Mrs Danvers, the housekeeper with a secret. Not sure how many of you are aware of this book - maybe it is only well-known in this country, as it is set in Cornwall, England. I had to read it for school (not that I actually finished it in the end) but I know exactly what you mean. And, without spoiling Rebecca, if someone ever tries to write a story where Frau Schmidt is awful, make sure we do have a happy ever after for our favourite couple. BTW. Didn't Daphne du Maurier have something going on with Gertrude Lawrence? (played by the lovely JA in STAR!) |
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Apr 29, 2014 6:15:42 GMT
I always liked the thought that Frau Schmidt could somehow be linked to JA's character from 'Darling Lili' (since they had the same last name). I totally agree with all your opinions saying she's very proper and I'm quite aware that Lili could be considered the opposite, but I think they both very similar in character.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Apr 29, 2014 7:12:48 GMT
Sorry to divert the fascinating line of conversation, but the storyline where FS is antagonistic to Maria sounds remarkably like the novel 'Rebecca' by Daphne Du Maurier, where the 'new girl' in the household (with a buttoned-up sort like our captain for a husband) is rather plagued by Mrs Danvers, the housekeeper with a secret. Not sure how many of you are aware of this book - maybe it is only well-known in this country, as it is set in Cornwall, England. There is no way Maxim de Winter is as hot as Georg. ![]()   HOWEVER, Mrs. Danvers looks like she could be a younger version of Frau Schmidt as far as I'm concerned. (And I checked and it isn't the same actress)  |
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 29, 2014 11:00:23 GMT
Maxim de Winter is too pretty/femme for me (just as I never saw the appeal in Leslie Howard---who'd want Ashley when they could have Rhett? ) CP just is all man. Drag scenes and Lock Up Your Daughters! notwithstanding.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 11:07:56 GMT
Haha!! I would go for Rhett anyway too!! (although wasn't there a rumour that Clarke Gable had really bad breath? yuck!!)
Actually aren't there a few photos of CP smoking around TSOM time? I'm not a smoker so I find smoking breath a little gross. I wonder whether JA thought so too (probably not). Does anyone still know whether CP still smokes or was it just a 60's thing?
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 29, 2014 11:16:59 GMT
He quit that after the pericarditis episode that he thought would kill him (and later he found that the doc who'd finally diagnosed him properly and advised him to stop had died of lung cancer from smoking himself). Though he smoked onscreen in Muhammad Ali's Greatest Fight, I don't think he's taken it up again.
I don't think JA would have had too much issue with it, as smoking was so prevalent at the time. And, wasn't Blake a smoker? I seem to recall photos of him with cigars.
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