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Post by utility_singer on Aug 21, 2014 17:52:45 GMT
Cold at night? What better excuse than needing to keep each other warm? LOL
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Post by cass on Aug 21, 2014 17:57:17 GMT
Hey hey hey, they're only just engaged here, I'm trying to behave myself!
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Post by lemacd on Aug 21, 2014 20:35:33 GMT
I think Elsa had the grace to leave undetected whenever she left.
As for witnessing the goings on in or around the gazebo, it would have confirmed everything that happened, leaving no doubt and perhaps make her believe in love. Give her hope.
Or it would give her grist for the rumor mill.
Or she was too busy seeking a cry shoulder from a bewildered impresario to see anything.
Or... No. That's all I got.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 23:58:41 GMT
OK I love the Baroness and it is so tempting to write her as an evil b**ch but I've always loved how she bows out gracefully and lets Georg go when she realises he doesn't love her.
So many stories have her returning to Vienna to spread rumours, cause trouble, be a total cow really, but I'm wondering whether if she ever bumped into Maria and Georg again later on, whether they might end up all being friends? (I'm sure I've read stories along those lines too)
I think someone posted a question over the past few days (or I could have imagined it) about whether Georg and Elsa ever spoke again after she left the villa. What do we all think? I'm just wanting some opinions as I'm forming ideas in my head (and you know what that means.... I'll be writing lots soon - that and the fact that uni semester is over in 3 weeks and I'll have lots more time on my hands).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 0:06:05 GMT
I was toying around with an Elsa and Georg/Maria run into each other fic after one of the challenges. There's a song that Reba McEntire sings called "And Still" that reminds me of Elsa and Georg. The story of the song doesn't fit, exactly, but the chorus does. I abandoned it because it was too sad.
For the longest time I subscribed to the idea that Elsa became the jilted, bitter woman but the older I get the more that opinion changes. She bowed out so gracefully. I don't think - if she really loved Georg as much as EP plays she does - that she would go back to Vienna and be cruel. It is wonderful to read her as such when it is done well, as many of you have done, but I think its more likely that her friends spread malicious gossip on her behalf. That, I think, plays more into the gossipy, bitchy society that would have every kind of problem with Maria and Maria/Georg, whether warranted or not.
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Post by lemacd on Sept 12, 2014 0:35:08 GMT
@charleybec for ALAWT or are you going to write an Elsa story too?
I don't think they cross paths. I don't think Elsa and Georg ran in the same circles anymore. I do think authorities may have contacted her and she would have truthfully been able to say she knew nothing. That would have been the only time she wondered about M & G.
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Post by utility_singer on Sept 12, 2014 1:18:19 GMT
I'm finishing up Feels Like Home and toying with an idea I had the other day; Elsa being the matchmaker for M & G rather than trying to keep them apart. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 1:57:15 GMT
No lemacd, no Elsa story for me... I'll leave that to you. It also isn't for ALAWT either... There is something else I have in mind that just came to me
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 2:12:39 GMT
Oh I like the idea of Elsa being match maker for Maria and Georg utility_singer. Tell us more!!!
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Post by lemacd on Sept 12, 2014 2:21:24 GMT
Sure. Why not?
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Post by utility_singer on Sept 12, 2014 14:56:11 GMT
Just that Elsa realizes early on that the two of them seem meant for each other (and that she simply isn't cut out for the reality of the children) and rather than being catty and trying to scare Maria off, tries to move things along. I haven't really thought the whole thing out, but the idea has been with me for a while. Maybe because she's been so nasty in Feels Like Home, and I feel the need to redeem her, LOL
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Post by lemacd on Sept 13, 2014 0:44:50 GMT
I can get with that. And then maybe at the end they thank her by finding her a nice broad chested Adonis of her own.
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 10, 2015 23:35:29 GMT
Well, the answer to the original question at the top of the board, is Option 3:
'She had had a hell of a morning at the villa, trying to avoid the Captain and That Nun, but finally the baroness's chauffeur arrived with a car to take her back to Vienna, where she belonged...'
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Post by acid.milque on Mar 25, 2015 15:57:58 GMT
I think she would leave immediately and perhaps stay at a hotel in Salzburg. A taxi, Max, or even Franz could take her there; then a train or have her own driver retrieve her the next day. I agree. There would be no need/reason for her to wait. I've always thought that either Franz/Max drove her to the train station. Or that Max drove her home to Vienna. charleybec said: OK I love the Baroness and it is so tempting to write her as an evil b**ch but I've always loved how she bows out gracefully and lets Georg go when she realises he doesn't love her. So many stories have her returning to Vienna to spread rumours, cause trouble, be a total cow really, but I'm wondering whether if she ever bumped into Maria and Georg again later on, whether they might end up all being friends? (I'm sure I've read stories along those lines too) I think someone posted a question over the past few days (or I could have imagined it) about whether Georg and Elsa ever spoke again after she left the villa. What do we all think? I'm just wanting some opinions as I'm forming ideas in my head (and you know what that means.... I'll be writing lots soon - that and the fact that uni semester is over in 3 weeks and I'll have lots more time on my hands)." - I could never see her going back home to spread malicious rumors about M&G. Yes Elsa could be manipulative at times but I just don't see Elsa as an evil person. I believe at the point of the film (where Georg tries to break up with Elsa) she is pretty much resolved that its over. When Maria comes back, in the back of her mind she knows that it's over but is just in denial about it. It's really evident when she keeps blabbing about giving Georg a toy yacht for his bathtub. I see her graciously moving on, she isn't mad at Georg, hurt though yes. She understands that Georg loves Maria and that she is a better fit for them, being a mother and all. Though I can't see the three of them becoming friends. I could see them bumping into each other, and it being kind of awkward.
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Post by clarinetjamie on Mar 25, 2015 20:50:18 GMT
I think she would leave immediately and perhaps stay at a hotel in Salzburg. A taxi, Max, or even Franz could take her there; then a train or have her own driver retrieve her the next day. I agree. There would be no need/reason for her to wait. I've always thought that either Franz/Max drove her to the train station. Or that Max drove her home to Vienna. charleybec said: OK I love the Baroness and it is so tempting to write her as an evil b**ch but I've always loved how she bows out gracefully and lets Georg go when she realises he doesn't love her. So many stories have her returning to Vienna to spread rumours, cause trouble, be a total cow really, but I'm wondering whether if she ever bumped into Maria and Georg again later on, whether they might end up all being friends? (I'm sure I've read stories along those lines too) I think someone posted a question over the past few days (or I could have imagined it) about whether Georg and Elsa ever spoke again after she left the villa. What do we all think? I'm just wanting some opinions as I'm forming ideas in my head (and you know what that means.... I'll be writing lots soon - that and the fact that uni semester is over in 3 weeks and I'll have lots more time on my hands)." - I could never see her going back home to spread malicious rumors about M&G. Yes Elsa could be manipulative at times but I just don't see Elsa as an evil person. I believe at the point of the film (where Georg tries to break up with Elsa) she is pretty much resolved that its over. When Maria comes back, in the back of her mind she knows that it's over but is just in denial about it. It's really evident when she keeps blabbing about giving Georg a toy yacht for his bathtub. I see her graciously moving on, she isn't mad at Georg, hurt though yes. She understands that Georg loves Maria and that she is a better fit for them, being a mother and all. Though I can't see the three of them becoming friends. I could see them bumping into each other, and it being kind of awkward. I agree completely. I really don't think she would have mean about the whole thing. She knew in her heart that he loved Maria and that if he married her then their relationship couldn't possibly be all that it could be. I always liked that scene in the movie because she does bow out graciously and she does on her terms instead of letting the Captain have to spell it out for her. As to whether they ever spoke again I'm not sure that they would have. If you go by the time frame in the movie I don't think they would have had time to really and it could have been awkward for them. Before I got married and was dating I had a couple of boyfriends and even though we left on amicable terms, one of them I never spoke to again and the other one I'm facebook friends with. We each have our own families now and even though we don't chat a lot, we are still friends, but I'm not sure I could see the three of them being friends and it might be a little embarrassing for Elsa to have had her engagement broken off so suddenly. I would think she would want to move on with her life and not look back.
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 14, 2020 7:17:45 GMT
A question that puzzles me sometimes, is after the Balcony Scene, when Elsa says "I will pack my bags and return to Vienna, where I belong", does she go immediately, or wait until the morning? And how does she get back there? Does she : 1. Request that Max immediately drives her all the way back? (at least a 3 hour journey, I should think, maybe more). He also appears later in the story, so he would have to come back. 2. Order a taxi? (All that way?) 3. Wait for her chauffeur to collect her (he'd have to come from Vienna, so that'd mean she would have to wait all morning at the villa for him to get there...and, as she knew what was probably Going On in the gazebo, it'd be excruciating trying to keep out of the way). Your thoughts please! I think that as a baroness she can hire a car with a chauffeur to take her anywhere she wants. Otherwise what kind of rich baroness is she?? Max is a friend, not her chauffeur, that is why I exclude him from driving her back. And I also believe that she left immediately out of sheer courtesy. How could she stay under the same roof with the man that just rejected her? I imagine she telephoned for a chauffer with a car, she gathered her things immediately and left. Also the balcony scene must take place after the drink aristocrats used to drink after dinner. So if the dinner is at 19.00, the drink around 20.00, at 21.00 I guess it is the bedtime that is strictly observed (the children have said goodnight, kissed their father, and Maria has put them all to bed, and free from the children she cannot rest in her room, so she goes for a walk across the lake dressed in the blue girly dress she wore during the puppet show and edelweiss when the captain could not take his eyes out of her as the baroness said- notice that the baroness is dressed in an impressive red ballgown now!! whereas during the party she wore a white gown. I think that the colours here play also their role in expressing the thoughts and feelings of the characters). So let's say around 21.30 the Captain and Baroness sit at the parlour. He does seem willing for light conversation, but deep in his thoughts. The Baroness is trying to cheer him up. Maybe she has a talk with Max, maybe she has gone to her room to refresh herself. The captain notices Maria going out towards the lake and he follows her by going to the balcony again deep into his thoughts. He is observing her and thinking! Then the baroness looks for him, and comes out at the balcony at 22.00 let's imagine. At 22.30 he breaks up with her (she goes immediately at her room, telephones for a car and chauffeur to hire until Vienna, she changes clothes, throws all her things in the luggage), and when at 23.00 the Captain finds Maria at the gazebo, the baroness has already left the villa. So the romantic scene at the gazebo must be after 23.30 when the children are asleep, Franz and Frau Smidt and all the servants also (the servants wake up early in the morning to prepare everything). I imagine that the romantic scene lasts until after midnight, they return home hand in hand, she goes to her room, he goes to his room leaving her with a kiss. And the next morning during breakfast when all the children sit at the table plus Max and Maria, the Captain says that the baroness left the house, she has returned to Vienna where she belongs, and Maria will stay at the house from now on as their new mother and his wife. And all the children rush up to her and kiss her happily, and they now have become a real family!! And Max is dreaming about the festival singing...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 16, 2020 14:30:28 GMT
I agree that she left immediately. How much stuff did she have with her though? I wonder how long it took her to pack? She probably did not enlist the help of a maid to do this because it would have been too embarrassing to say she was leaving so abruptly. Could she have a car hired and there, be changed, and have all of her stuff together and downstairs in a half hour? Maybe, since she was motivated to get out quickly. I'm sure she did not want to run into Georg and Maria.
I have thought about maybe Georg asking Max to drive her back before he goes out to the gazebo. Not because Max is of chauffeur status, but because he would think that Elsa might need a friend to talk to. Though, the more I think about it, Georg would probably not want to be involved at all and would just let Elsa do what she felt comfortable doing. She is an independent woman and could handle getting herself back home without his help.
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 19, 2020 14:26:47 GMT
I agree that she left immediately. How much stuff did she have with her though? I wonder how long it took her to pack? She probably did not enlist the help of a maid to do this because it would have been too embarrassing to say she was leaving so abruptly. Could she have a car hired and there, be changed, and have all of her stuff together and downstairs in a half hour? Maybe, since she was motivated to get out quickly. I'm sure she did not want to run into Georg and Maria. Another scenario is that she hired immediately a car with a chauffeur, and she took with her only the necessary things. All the other gowns etc could be packed and sent to her the following days.
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