UndoubtedlyTheWine
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Happiness can be found even in the darkest of the times if only, one remembers to turn on the light.
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Post by UndoubtedlyTheWine on Jan 24, 2017 14:48:47 GMT
Oh my! I hadn't noticed that before!! Thanks for sharing  |
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Post by clarinetjamie on Jan 25, 2017 6:22:55 GMT
I know, pretty cool isn't it.......and welcome Topaz!
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Post by leonie on Jan 25, 2017 12:53:46 GMT
Another moment of a stare was Maria handing the captain the guitar and asking him to sing their look was only brief looking straight into each other's eyes.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 26, 2020 16:27:56 GMT
So what are they communicating with this look? Is he trying to tell her that he is impressed with how the children were presented/ their goodnight song? Is it a continuation of the Laendler stare down? Are they checking in with each other to make sure the other is ok after how the Laendler ended? Are they just taking the opportunity when everyone else is occupied to check each other out?
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Post by utility_singer on Feb 27, 2020 11:50:02 GMT
So what are they communicating with this look? Is he trying to tell her that he is impressed with how the children were presented/ their goodnight song? Is it a continuation of the Laendler stare down? Are they checking in with each other to make sure the other is ok after how the Laendler ended? Are they just taking the opportunity when everyone else is occupied to check each other out? Yes. |
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 3, 2020 0:26:12 GMT
They are gulping each other in when they have the opportunity.
Everyone else is distracted, watching and waving to the children, so they use the chance to get some serious gazing in, because maybe it will be their only opportunity.
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Post by forensicator8 on May 5, 2020 4:32:14 GMT
I must confess that I lost sleep over this observation last night and spent the remainder of the day picking up the scattered pieces of my blown mind, haha. As someone who has watched this movie a million times, I'm really irritated I missed this! I'm so glad you pointed it out, though, because it feels like another little treasure we can savor. One thought I had on this fleeting moment was that there may have been some material about M & G gazing at each other in the script between the end of the song and before they go back to mingling at the party. (Sorry…gonna get all filmmakey here) Robert Wise may have gotten coverage of a medium-shot over Maria’s shoulder of Georg looking at her and vice-versa for continuity—which is probably why we see it in the wide shot only. In the final edit, the closer shots of the two probably didn’t fit with the flow of the scene and had to be cut. But that’s just my theory. I just love reading everyone else's thoughts on this little moment |
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Post by Silver-White-Winters on May 5, 2020 13:13:01 GMT
So what are they communicating with this look? Is he trying to tell her that he is impressed with how the children were presented/ their goodnight song? Is it a continuation of the Laendler stare down? Are they checking in with each other to make sure the other is ok after how the Laendler ended? Are they just taking the opportunity when everyone else is occupied to check each other out? Probably all of the above. I mean, you can convey quite a lot with one gaze. If it had to be just one reason they gazed at each other, it would probably be them checking to make sure if they're both okay. |
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 27, 2020 0:01:38 GMT
Just been thinking about The Stare, and also how subtley this film is made (for example, how when Maria is about to leave for the Abbey, her last glance is up, in the direction of the children).
It occurred to me that the stare between Georg and Maria occurs just at the end of the guests singing 'Goodbye' to the children. Do you think this also relates to their own encounter, because apart from the "You can if you want to" scene, this is also 'Goodbye' for G and M, at least whilst she is at the Abbey. I'm wondering whether this is another of Robert Wise's clever touches?
There is another post further down in this Movie Observations area, relating to The Stare, called 'Elsa's Expressions during So Long Farewell' which you might enjoy as well!
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 4, 2020 2:26:40 GMT
Just been thinking about The Stare, and also how subtley this film is made (for example, how when Maria is about to leave for the Abbey, her last glance is up, in the direction of the children). It occurred to me that the stare between Georg and Maria occurs just at the end of the guests singing 'Goodbye' to the children. Do you think this also relates to their own encounter, because apart from the "You can if you want to" scene, this is also 'Goodbye' for G and M, at least whilst she is at the Abbey. I'm wondering whether this is another of Robert Wise's clever touches? There is another post further down in this Movie Observations area, relating to The Stare, called 'Elsa's Expressions during So Long Farewell' which you might enjoy as well! But Georg doesn’t know she’s leaving, does he? |
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 5, 2020 0:03:02 GMT
No, so it's a harbinger of things to come (or another word which I can't quite put my finger on, starting with pre-, like a premonition or forecaster).
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 19, 2022 19:42:34 GMT
Who do you think initiated the stare down? They are both looking up at the children during the last goodbyyyyye. Then when it cuts back to the crowd they are already both looking at each other. Was it in unison? Or was one person trying to catch the other's eye? Or was one person trying to look at the other undetected and then the other person looked too?
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Post by missisa on Sept 19, 2022 20:13:33 GMT
Who do you think initiated the stare down? They are both looking up at the children during the last goodbyyyyye. Then when it cuts back to the crowd they are already both looking at each other. Was it in unison? Or was one person trying to catch the other's eye? Or was one person trying to look at the other undetected and then the other person looked too? This question gets my 10. Three scenarios: 1) It may have been initiated by María, who was aware of the children's musical number and was observing her father's reaction with pride, to verify that, once again: "they are your children, Captain." 2) It may also have been the Captain, overwhelmed by what Maria had achieved and already aware of her governess's effect on those around her and wondering why the Baroness is grabbing his arm. 3) But a simultaneous look in the middle of the crowd only gives me wings to think that at that moment their minds burn with love and they are remembering the Laender, oblivious to the "So long farewell", looking at each other again after the dancing moment. I mean, the Laender cannot have been forgotten so soon, their hearts are still steaming! |
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 25, 2022 22:07:02 GMT
I say 3.
Got to be.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 8, 2022 22:46:26 GMT
This is not about G&M, but is about this screencap.
I like that Zeller is near the backdoor, meaning that he would have been at the back of the crowd watching the children perform, indicating that he doesn't have much interest in this, which is true. I also like that he does not appear to wave, again, because this is accurate to his character.
Who is he looking at in the screencap? Max? Does he have a reason to be suspicious of Max at this point?
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 14, 2022 23:44:47 GMT
I don't think Max will have come to his attention, because Max has reasons to remain under the radar with the Nazis.
Zeller seems a man in isolation, a man at work when others are partying; apparently there were quite a few Nazi sympathisers (in Vienna at least, even if not in Salzburg), so I think he will be trying to work out who he needs to work on.
I ADORE G & M's gaze - that look on Georg's face is LOADED, so much more expressive than the way anyone else would have done it. And Maria looks a little frightened of the power of what has just happened between them, especially as Elsa is just by his side and about to come between them...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 20, 2023 20:35:35 GMT
I was trying to pinpoint what exactly I love about this moment (besides the obvious delicious tension between G&M). I think I like it so much because this is the last time we see them in sync until the gazebo kiss. My favorite part of the movie to watch is The Argument to this stare down. The love story develops so nicely and both fall for each other in tandem. There is a definite shift in how they interact starting with the "you can if you want to fraulein" scene, then definitely in the "please don't ask me scene", and even in the first part of the gazebo scene. They aren't in sync anymore, and that is heartbreaking to watch. And ultimately it makes the gazebo scene all the more satisfying.
On a side note, this look had to absolutely haunt Maria as she was sitting in seclusion. Talk about a look that makes you barely able to breathe!
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 21, 2023 13:40:55 GMT
right reverendcaptain, she must have been so confused! I've always thought that she might have had a boyfriend or something, but she probably never experienced anything like this kind of intensity - and as though the feelings themselves weren't discombobulating enough, then there is Elsa casting all kinds of doubts on what Maria might have believed. One thing I've always imagined about Maria's return is that she is, from the moment he greets her on the steps until he kisses her in the gazebo, thinking, "I did NOT imagine it. Or did I? What were his intentions toward me? Was he in love with me, or just, you know, in lust?" I wonder if she ever regretted running away instead of standing her ground. |
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 22, 2023 0:36:39 GMT
Who do you think initiated the stare down? They are both looking up at the children during the last goodbyyyyye. Then when it cuts back to the crowd they are already both looking at each other. Was it in unison? Or was one person trying to catch the other's eye? Or was one person trying to look at the other undetected and then the other person looked too? I'm sure it must have been Georg who initiated The Stare, because I think Maria would have instinctively been watching the kids disappearing upstairs, as the final part of their routine. But he would have been able to see her out of the corner of his eye, and most likely turned to watch her. All she needed to do was look back to check that he was enjoying watching his children, and kaboom! They are locked in together, and the longer they hold each other's gaze, the more they know they are made for each other. Extra confusing then, that Elsa tries to devalue all that; Georg stares with such intensity that Maria couldn't have been in any doubt about the strength of his feelings, yet when Elsa says he is in love with her, Maria replies "That's not true", so she doesn't want to admit it, or is in denial. Similarly with the idea that she is in love with him. Maybe also it is because she is in danger of breaking her commitment to God by falling in love? So I think she asks the Baroness not to say a word about it to him in the vague hope that he might not be so besotted by her after all, and it all passes away without further mention. And leaving for the abbey removes Maria from coming between Elsa and Georg. I'm sure she wouldn't regret going. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 25, 2023 22:14:26 GMT
right reverendcaptain , she must have been so confused! I've always thought that she might have had a boyfriend or something, but she probably never experienced anything like this kind of intensity - and as though the feelings themselves weren't discombobulating enough, then there is Elsa casting all kinds of doubts on what Maria might have believed. One thing I've always imagined about Maria's return is that she is, from the moment he greets her on the steps until he kisses her in the gazebo, thinking, "I did NOT imagine it. Or did I? What were his intentions toward me? Was he in love with me, or just, you know, in lust?" I wonder if she ever regretted running away instead of standing her ground. I would think most of her time in seclusion was pondering "I did NOT imagine it....or did I?" too. I imagine she spent her time praying that she hadn't prevented the children from getting their new mother, but then her thoughts would drift often to the captain and what exactly happened between them. She clearly hasn't figured it when RM calls for her because her "I don't know. I DON'T KNOW!" is so tortured. She thinks they are in love. They look at each other like they are in love. But the baroness said it's just a fling, and she is much more worldly on such matters so should be trusted on this, right? But what if she's wrong? Did it ever occur to Maria that Elsa was trying to scare her away? Or is she too kind hearted (and naive) to think that about someone? Did she ever regret running away is an interesting question. Her coming back was the kick in the backside Georg needed to set things straight. What would have been that motivation if she had stayed? I don't think he would have proposed to Elsa with Maria still in the picture, but how long would the love triangle have been dragged along if no one left the villa? I'm going to say, she regretted hurting the children by leaving them so suddenly, but that she needed a break from the captain to sort through her own feelings (and get RM's advice on the matter), and he needed a break from her to realize that she was the only right answer. So, I guess she regretted that the circumstances were such that she had to leave, but didn't regret actually leaving, if that makes any sense. |
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 27, 2023 22:45:05 GMT
It must have occurred to Maria that Elsa may have been trying to scare her away, but I think Elsa was so much older and more sophisticated that Maria had to accept what she said.
Also, I think the idea that may have been fundamental in Maria's decision to leave was the concept that Elsa proposed, that she was just a 'trinket' to Georg - a cheap object of his flirtation (possibly of many) who would be cast aside on a whim. This feeling of being 'cheap' would have jangled with her religious feelings, leading to her fleeing at her earliest opportunity. She must have felt she was in a far too 'sophisticated' household where the morals were not of her choosing.
So her big question when she was away in seclusion was, was I just the object one of many inconsequential 'affairs' he might have had, or was this something altogether more serious? And also, even when she returned to the villa, she still wasn't sure, and could have got caught up in some messy tangle she regretted (and with Elsa still on the warpath!)
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 28, 2023 16:23:52 GMT
a lot of good points indigoblue. That Maria's thoughts would focus on whether she had misunderstood and been misled by this man she knows to be "fine and brave." And that even if she thinks Elsa was up to no good, Maria may not be up to tangling with her. And the fear of being a mere toy. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 6, 2023 19:16:42 GMT
What do you make of Georg's expression when Max says "They're extraordinary." right after this stare down. I can't find a good screencap. I'm attaching a link of a pic that is close. movie-screencaps.com/the-sound-of-music-1965/page/62#foobox-1/64/sound-music-movie-screencaps.com-11045.jpg?ssl=1Was he surprised that the children could perform so well? He makes this face before Max continues on with "What they would do at the festival!", so I don't think it is a reaction to that. Maybe he is just showing that he had no idea a performance was coming and was delighted just like everyone else? It's kind of a silly look from a serious captain. Or is this just a release of nervous tension from the stare down that happened the second before? |
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 16, 2023 23:49:28 GMT
Well spotted! I'm wondering whether it is a strange transfer of his emotion from the shock of the staredown into his conversation with Max; he is so full of consternation about how he feels for Maria, that when Max comes up, some of that feeling goes into his attempt to sort of shrug his kids' acheivement off. So a sort of nervous tension escaping.
Either that, or he is concerned that Max has seen them staring at each other, and has guessed what is going on. Elsa watched them stare, which he must have been aware of as she was so near.
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Post by utility_singer on Oct 17, 2023 11:36:52 GMT
I think its a combination of things---sort of a transition shot. He's still obviously watching the children, and ready to engage in conversation with Max. I don't think he's actually thinking of Maria or their dance right then.
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