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Post by lemacd on Aug 12, 2013 19:43:43 GMT
so maria comes back, joy and singing abound... then she says to the children "I have so much to tell you all." really? like what... "I'm in love with your father"? doubtful... of course, the dialogue conveniently morphed to news she needed to hear (dum, dum, duuuuuum) so that is probably the whole point, but i always wonder...
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 12, 2013 23:22:48 GMT
I always wondered about that! I always thought, well, it might be a general sort of pep talk about living the life you're supposed to live. But I was always confused about it myself.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 13, 2013 0:42:24 GMT
"oh goody! fraulein maria is going to tell us abbey stories again! tell us the one about you in seclusion, only tell the long version this time!"
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 13, 2013 1:13:51 GMT
"Fraulein, any floor-kissing this time?"
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Post by ForeverJulie on Aug 13, 2013 21:32:29 GMT
Well, you have to remember some of the children she's talking to are pretty young. I mean, you can't just come home after almost breaking a 5-year-old's heart and be like "yeaaaa, not much happened". So, obviously she at least has to make it a big deal for them. Realistically, she does still have to tell them that even though she's back she still plans on leaving as soon as there's another governess. I also look at it as, she's Maria, she's obviously an insanely involved governess. They probably spent almost all of their time with her and then she's gone for however long you want to say she was at the abbey for. So, usually the children are used to sharing every aspect of the day with her (and vice versa) and they go from that to nothing. So yea, I can see why she would say she has a lot to tell them. I mean, for Marta and Gretl it could be as little as "I saw a butterfly in the garden at the abbey" and to them that would be special.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 13, 2013 22:46:08 GMT
well, ok. but she's awfully excited about that butterfly...
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Post by ForeverJulie on Aug 14, 2013 2:56:26 GMT
haha, fair enough. I always thought it was weirder that Louisa feels the need to clarify that the Captain is getting married to Elsa. Um, obviously Louisa...are you just trying to rub it in or did you really think there was another option there?
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Post by lemacd on Aug 14, 2013 4:19:40 GMT
haha... that's a funny point too. maybe she thought maria forgot her name. you know, in case she wanted to get them something monogrammed as a wedding present.
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 15, 2013 1:28:48 GMT
haha... that's a funny point too. maybe she thought maria forgot her name. you know, in case she wanted to get them something monogrammed as a wedding present.  I'm not usually an emoticon person but this was too funny to ignore. |
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 19, 2013 23:27:56 GMT
Now this is interesting: ForeverJulie says 'even though she's back she still plans to leave as soon as there's another governess', whilst she is still on the Pegasus Landing.
I had always assumed she had decided to come back on a longer term basis at this point, but changed her mind as soon as she realised Georg and Elsa were engaged, hence her answer to his question, "You are here to...stay?" became "only until a new governess can be found".
What do you think?
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Post by lemacd on Aug 19, 2013 23:47:58 GMT
oooh, i think i totally agree. the news of the engagement was a total game changer. you can see 'what am i going to do now?' all over her face when she finds out.
the pegasus landing. totally going to be a euphemism for something from now on.
"what do you want for dinner?" "i don't know... i'm still on the pegasus landing about it..."
it works.
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 20, 2013 1:26:40 GMT
a whole new way of looking at the world, the Pegasus landing!
Georg spends quite a bit of time there himself. Figuratively as well as literally.
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 20, 2013 23:24:34 GMT
I have to admit it was ImNotACommittee's inspiration to call it that in her stories, but as she(and Anne)pointed out, a whole lot of stuff happens there, but it had no name, so hey presto, a name.
I have to admit it does sound rather good: I am tempted to name our (rather small) terrace at home the same thing -it may make it seem larger??
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Post by lemacd on Aug 20, 2013 23:41:17 GMT
i'm picturing dialogue:
G: "Liesl, i don't recall seeing you after dinner."
L: "I was hanging out at the Pegasus landing, Father."
G: (to self) Oh, please no... not the pegasus landing! stuff happens there. too much stuff. she's too young for stuff.
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Post by Elaine on Aug 29, 2013 14:14:43 GMT
i'm picturing dialogue: G: "Liesl, i don't recall seeing you after dinner." L: "I was hanging out at the Pegasus landing, Father." G: (to self) Oh, please no... not the pegasus landing! stuff happens there. too much stuff. she's too young for stuff. This post made my day! |
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Post by utility_singer on Feb 21, 2014 14:43:47 GMT
This discussion was delicious. I actually laughed out loud several times reading it again!
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Post by mireille on Feb 22, 2014 21:08:16 GMT
Just a thought.... Maybe she was this excited because she wanted to tell them she was going to stay, forever, if possible.
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Post by lemacd on Feb 22, 2014 21:37:31 GMT
hmmm... interesting. but that kinda falls under the "i'm in love with your father" catagory and i don't think she would lay that on them until she had sure footing with him. i'm am pretty sure it was just a device to allow the children to say that they had big news, too... which she needed to hear.
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Post by mireille on Mar 31, 2014 22:20:29 GMT
Just watched the scene again. Maybe she was going to tell them she wasn't going to be a nun after all. Of course she needed to find out if the feelings she had for the captain were real. But maybe she had made the decision to leave the abbey for good.
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Post by lemacd on Mar 31, 2014 22:28:21 GMT
Very good point. I don't think she was going to be a nun no matter what happened with the captain.
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Post by mireille on Apr 2, 2014 5:25:14 GMT
When the children tell her their father is going to get married she's in dhock. What now? I just gave up my future for him and now he's someone else's future. Stab in the heart.
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Post by augiesannie on Apr 3, 2014 0:16:30 GMT
I know this is overdoing it, but I watched that scene in slo-mo the other night and the devastation on her face was really heartbreaking.
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 3, 2014 0:56:10 GMT
Is it possible to overdo the overanalysis?
I maintain it is not.
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Post by lemacd on Apr 3, 2014 1:23:44 GMT
nope. can't.
it is devastating. like she can't think or speak or even breathe.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 17, 2019 16:22:42 GMT
I’ve been thinking about this discussion and initially agreed with mireille that Maria's news to the children was likely that she wasn’t joining the convent. This would be a big enough life decision that they would then understand why she needed to seek counsel at the abbey to figure it out (it still wouldn’t answer the question as to why she left in the middle of the night without saying goodbye, but at least it would give them a believable reason for her leaving). But did she really make that decision? I think ultimately, she would have decided against becoming a nun even if things hadn’t worked out with Georg, she just wasn’t suited for it, but did she know that in this scene? Or would she have thought, I could never love another man like I love my captain so I’m going back to serving God at the convent if he doesn’t love me back? If that’s the case, she never would have mentioned leaving the convent to the children before knowing Georg's feelings, and that leaves me still stumped on what the “so much to tell” was. Thoughts? |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 25, 2021 23:24:39 GMT
Do you think it's funny that Louisa felt the need to clarify who their father was going to marry? Were the children so completely blind to the fact that G&E were in relationship that they thought Maria might wonder who he was marrying?
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 26, 2021 10:21:11 GMT
Do you think it's funny that Louisa felt the need to clarify who their father was going to marry? Were the children so completely blind to the fact that G&E were in relationship that they thought Maria might wonder who he was marrying? I think it would be typical of a child to clarify, because Maria responded to their news with ,"Married?" which to Louisa likely seemed a question, rather than an exclamation of disbelief. |
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 26, 2021 16:29:05 GMT
Do you think it's funny that Louisa felt the need to clarify who their father was going to marry? Were the children so completely blind to the fact that G&E were in relationship that they thought Maria might wonder who he was marrying? I think it would be typical of a child to clarify, because Maria responded to their news with ,"Married?" which to Louisa likely seemed a question, rather than an exclamation of disbelief. Ah, you are probably right. Maybe Maria's question did seem to them like she was asking for more info. I wonder how the rest of that conversation would have gone if Georg hadn't shown up. |
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Post by augiesannie on Apr 26, 2021 22:57:48 GMT
I'm so glad this thread got revived. I see that some years ago, someone cracked, "Louisa, did you really think there was another option?" And suggested that perhaps the clarification was in case Maria might wish to buy them a monogrammed wedding gift.
Actually I agree it makes sense in talking to a young person...
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Post by utility_singer on Apr 27, 2021 13:23:16 GMT
There's also some hint of disbelief/pleading in the way Louisa says it---almost a 'please why is he doing this help us get rid of her' sort of way.
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I'm not usually an emoticon person but this was too funny to ignore.
