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Post by indigoblue on Jul 19, 2015 23:46:54 GMT
Pleased to be of service, Ma'am!
You might find it useful to look at it in conjunction with the Guided Tour of The Villa that our original members did to celebrate our first anniversary - a sort of walking tour of the house.
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Post by bluesatinsashes on Sept 19, 2015 4:52:03 GMT
All the villa interiors are in Hollywood, plus the Ländler courtyard and the gazebo area. The rest of the "property" is in Austria. The front yard and backyard facing the house are a different location (Frohnburg) than the backyard facing the lake (Leopoldskron). There was a gazebo on site, you can see it in the background of several scenes outdoors. I think the staircase and part of the main hall floor were used in The Poseidon AdventureCame across this trivia today: "The interior set of the Von Trapp entry hall (featuring the split staircase) was re-used in the 1965 Doris Day picture Do Not Disturb (1965). The set was re-dressed for use as the hotel ballroom featured in the latter portion of the Doris Day film." Source: www.imdb.com/title/tt0059742/trivia?item=tr1963506Not sure how accurate that was...
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Post by utility_singer on Sept 19, 2015 11:30:44 GMT
I've not seen that particular movie, but now I'm curious!
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Jul 4, 2017 14:46:54 GMT
I just typed "Von Trapp Villa floor plan" into google images and this thread popped up, oh my gosh indigoblue you are a god, this is so helpful!
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 4, 2017 23:38:58 GMT
That is exactly why I drew it!
And if you can explain to me why this thread has had 3250 views (when we have only 210 members, not all of whom are active), I'd be grateful!
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Post by adelaide on Jul 5, 2017 4:16:07 GMT
You forgot my bedroom. Oh wait I'd be in his bedroom ( sorry ladies I'm assuming I got him to the alter first ). But I leave you Franz and Zeller to fight over.
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Post by adelaide on Jul 5, 2017 4:17:19 GMT
You forgot my bedroom. Oh wait I'd be in his bedroom ( sorry ladies I'm assuming I got him to the alter first ). But I leave you Franz and Zeller to fight over.
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Jul 5, 2017 15:33:49 GMT
That is exactly why I drew it! And if you can explain to me why this thread has had 3250 views (when we have only 210 members, not all of whom are active), I'd be grateful! Can anyone access the thread like how I found it through Google? That might be how? It might also just count the views regardless of who it is, so say I looked at it 50 times it records that as 50 and not as a single view from one person (if that makes sense).
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Jul 5, 2017 15:35:42 GMT
You forgot my bedroom. Oh wait I'd be in his bedroom ( sorry ladies I'm assuming I got him to the alter first ). But I leave you Franz and Zeller to fight over. Hahaha! I'd rather have Max than go anywhere near those two, bleh.
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 5, 2017 23:50:07 GMT
That is exactly why I drew it! And if you can explain to me why this thread has had 3250 views (when we have only 210 members, not all of whom are active), I'd be grateful! Can anyone access the thread like how I found it through Google? That might be how? It might also just count the views regardless of who it is, so say I looked at it 50 times it records that as 50 and not as a single view from one person (if that makes sense). Yes, but I still can't see it being seen that often. I wonder if someone downloads it onto another site , would it still come up on our ratings (as this is the first place I uploaded it)? That might explain it.
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Post by INeverExplainAnything on Jul 6, 2017 4:52:09 GMT
Can anyone access the thread like how I found it through Google? That might be how? It might also just count the views regardless of who it is, so say I looked at it 50 times it records that as 50 and not as a single view from one person (if that makes sense). Yes, but I still can't see it being seen that often. I wonder if someone downloads it onto another site , would it still come up on our ratings (as this is the first place I uploaded it)? That might explain it. Hmm that might be it, still so strange though!
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Post by UndoubtedlyTheWine on Jul 6, 2017 6:12:07 GMT
I spent a happy hour or two this week watching TSOM to try to sort out the floor plans. The result is below, although some of it does not quite add up, so any suggestions are welcome! Please click on image to view. View Attachment Wow! This is brilliant!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 1, 2019 12:48:50 GMT
@indigoblue, where to you think Elsa and Max’s bedrooms were? You have guest bedrooms on second floor near Maria’s, do you think they were there? On the third floor above Georg and the children? On the third floor above Maria? The windows on the third floor are smaller/less light and they are likely lower ceilings due to the roof, so maybe these are staff bedrooms and the nicer rooms on the second floor are for guests?
Why do you think we see people walking down the main stairs in the party scenes? Were they coming from the “never be a nun” balcony? Surely, they wouldn’t have a reason to be in anyone’s bedroom? And there would be bathrooms for them on the first floor.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 1, 2019 22:56:54 GMT
I should think that Elsa and Max's bedrooms were on the same side as Maria's, although you would expect the 'principle guest', Elsa, to be in the best bedroom, which would usually also have the best view, onto the lake. So maybe she was in a bedroom overlooking the lake, whilst Max (being the chaperone) might have had one overlooking the courtyard. Presumably they had en suite bathrooms as Maria had one in her room. Normally you wouldn't put a guest on the third floor - too inconvenient, and as you rightly point out, these smaller rooms were usually for staff (or in the attic). In fact, I would have thought Maria, as Governess, might have been put on the third floor, and I have always been curious as to why she had such a large room in the best position with an en suite bathroom. Perhaps so she was on the same floor as the kids?
Frequently with large parties, where guests came from far away, they were put up in the house for the weekend, or with other guests who lived locally (at a 'House Party'). Those guests who were staying in the house would descend the stairs from their rooms at the beginning of the party, maybe also those who had travelled some distance and who wanted to change or adjust their attire before the frivolities began.
I have to say that the Floor Plan is quite sketchy, I only put in what we see in the film, so there are various rooms without a function, and I feel a house like that ought to have more rooms than there seem to be! Any suggestions welcome -
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 5, 2019 14:46:14 GMT
indigoblue, I was thinking about bedroom placements the other day. I agree with you that Georg’s bedroom would likely be the back corner room in the family wing, as this has the most privacy and best view. Isn’t this the room where Rolf was throwing stones at the window though? This does not change my opinion into thinking that this was Liesl’s room or a school room…I’m NOT trusting Rolf to know what’s going on! Maybe he would have been out of the picture sooner though if an angry scowling Captain would have appeared at the window he was throwing stones at. Hahahahaha. Run away Rolf!
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 6, 2019 0:23:09 GMT
Haha! What a thought...
That is a good point, presumably Rolf had had a conversation with Liesl from her room prior to the stone-throwing, so that he was confident that was her room. Was he throwing stones at the corner window?
The other thing which I have a problem with, is that when Liesl climbs into Maria's room in the thunderstorm, doesn't she climb up a creeper or vine of some sort ("Louisa can do it with a whole jar of ?frogs in her hand..."). However, there is no obvious creeper anywhere on the parts of the house we see! I think the Continuity Dept need a rap on the knuckles for that...however, they did pretty well with everything else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 20:16:24 GMT
this is amazing!! one question though... where's the ballroom? I assume it's somewhere near the Läendler terrace.
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 14, 2019 23:05:21 GMT
If you look at the plan on the first post on Page 1, you can see it is next to the Laendler Terrace.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Dec 17, 2019 17:25:45 GMT
Ok, so a lot of this I shamelessly stole from indigoblue brilliant sleuthing in her floor plans above. I did add some more details. I was trying to make the windows work out. I do realize that the sets for the inside of the house are not actual rooms in the house shown for the exterior, but in my own mind, they are. I put question marks next to rooms that I was guessing on. I used VERY rough dimension layout (like a ruler on a print out of the outside of the house to get approximate dimensions on door and window locations). Then I tried to make them work with what we see inside. The first floor. It always bothered me how many windows we see on the front of the house, but we don’t see any inside the front doors. There are doors to the side just inside the front door that we see when the children are leaving for their walk/the frog incident. So, I just made these closets and that explains why we don’t see the windows (because they are inside the closets). We know what side the dining room is on, and that it can’t be the 3rd window from the front door, as this is dark when Rolf pulls up on his bike to talk to Franz when the family is at dinner, so I made this dark window a staff stairwell. The dining room has three doors, so I made one to the staff stairwell room (to the basement kitchen??) and the other to a food prep area. We know where the sitting room is. Where should the bathroom(s) be on this level? I put one off the sitting room, making it the door we see behind the children when they are singing TSOM. I am guessing that the library is the other room on the sitting room side of the house, mostly because Brigitta is walking from that direction with her book when they are meeting Maria. We know where the ballroom is. I like the captain’s study being next to the ballroom, since this is where he goes to read the telegram Liesl gives him after the honeymoon. I like indigoblue idea of him being able to hear the singing and dancing during the thunderstorm from this location too, since it would be under Maria’s bedroom. I’m not sure what the room on the other side of the ballroom should be. A music room? A formal dining room for parties? We get a good view of the back of the house when the children are going up the stairs during So Long Farewell. We don’t see the back of house windows from the main hall. It appears that the rooms are bumped out so that the windows are inside the study and library on this level, and on the second level they are inside that awesome room we see behind the balcony (I’m calling it the sunroom) when Elsa comes to find Georg. The second floor. We know where Maria’s room is since we see her leave it during the party. I gave Elsa the room across the hall from Maria. It wouldn’t have as nice of a view, but would be just as big. This would make it less suspicious for Elsa to be going down this corridor to scare Maria during the party if her room were here as well. I struggled with the other rooms on this side. I made one a stair to the staff rooms above and I made the other Max’s room. Though, I don’t really like the idea of his bedroom being a door off the main walkway. He has a pretty small room for a guest suite in a fancy house too. The family side of the house was much harder. I have spent a lot of time thinking about the captain’s bedroom (not like THAT people!). I love the idea of the captain having the whole back corner with the big windows and awesome view of the lake, but I didn’t do that for two reasons. 1) Rolf is throwing stones at the second window in on the back of the house, so maybe Liesl told him this was her room? 2) Liesl and Gretl are seen running from this back side of the house when they are whistled for to meet Maria. It seems unlikely that they would be in their father’s bedroom. So, what do you think about giving Georg the third floor on the family side for his rooms? I know the windows are smaller, but maybe this is actually an awesome space with the sloped high ceilings? I thought about making his rooms on the second floor taking up the whole side of the house. They would only be 1 window bay wide though in order to make the second window be Liesl’s, so like half the width of Maria’s room, but much longer. I just think he needs more space. The third floor. I made staff rooms on the third floor on Maria’s side of the house. I put Franz in the front room because I think this is where he is looking down from when they are pushing the car. How many people do we think live there full time? I wasn’t sure how many staff bedrooms to make. I added another guest bedroom up there too. I’m not sure if this is proper etiquette to have guests up in the staff space, but I needed more guest rooms. There should probably be more than the three I have actually. The family side is the master suite. I put storage space and a guest room as a buffer between the staff and family sides. Some of my rooms can’t work with the window lights that we see on when they are pushing the car out of the gates (only one window in Georg’s room is lit up for example), but it’s the best I can do. I am attaching my floor plans for all three floors of the house. Whew. This turned into a novel. Thanks for reading. Any and all suggestions are welcome.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Dec 17, 2019 17:29:37 GMT
I am also attaching a vertical view of both the front and back of the house with the windows labeled corresponding to what I imagined the rooms to be in the post above.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Dec 17, 2019 17:41:52 GMT
Since I was working on floor plans, I was thinking more in depth about how Liesl got into Maria’s room during the thunderstorm. What does the side of the house look like? If you look at an actual picture of the side of this house, it has three rows of 5 windows. This can’t work for a couple several reasons. First, there needs to be 2 doors in the bottom center for the ballroom. Second, Maria would need to have two windows on the side of her room and she only has one (she has two on the back side). So, I propose that there are four windows and two doors on the ground floor, three windows on the second floor, and six windows on the third floor. Though we never see it, I am thinking there must be some sort of ledge between the first and second floors on the outside of the house. Liesl looks to come from the direction of the front of the house and takes a couple steps before climbing into Maria’s window. I originally was thinking there was ivy on the house or a lattice of some kind, but then she would have climbed up with her hands on the bottom of the window frame and throwing her leg over. She is clearly not climbing up, but at about the same height of the window when she enters. So, what do you think about her climbing the tall hedges we see during the Laendler scene and getting herself onto a ledge then walking over to Maria’s room? She would have easy access to Elsa’s room if they wanted to play tricks on her this way too. Thoughts? I’m attaching a picture of the actual house where you can kind of see the side windows. I'm also attaching a view of what it looks like in my head Attachments:
Side.pdf (80.6 KB)
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Post by indigoblue on Dec 18, 2019 0:11:08 GMT
Wow! I thought my plans were pretty exhaustive, but this is amazing! Your plans are so professional compared to mine; how did you do them?
All this seems very plausible, although there are some things which don't quite add up...I refer here to the first floor upstairs as the 'first floor', the second as 'the second floor' - I believe it is different in the US.
1.Nearly always, the husband and wife of a grand family would have the best and largest bedroom, which would be in an accessible place (ie the first floor), probably overlooking the lake.
2. The second floor was always kept for the staff, because the rooms and windows were smaller. This also meant that the staff kept to themselves (and shared more cramped bathrooms/ accomodation,etc), so it would be very unlikely that Georg would be on the second floor.
3. The guest bedrooms were usually nearly as large as the main bedrooms,and would probably have been on the lake or garden side (so that honoured guests such as Elsa wouldn't have to be disturbed by cars arriving, etc).
4. A governess would normally be considered 'staff', so would be in a smaller bedroom on the second floor, not on the first floor facing the lake, as seems to be the case in the film.
So there is a lot which doesn't really add up in the film, as (for example) there is no room on the first floor for Georg's room(s). Maybe one has to allow for 'artistic license'... But the rest of your ideas are great!
Bravo!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Dec 18, 2019 15:24:14 GMT
Thanks indigoblue! I just used Microsoft Excel and added borders around my rooms then printed to pdf once I had it the way I wanted it. I wish I had AutoCAD (and the ability to use it) to really lay it out. Interesting that you call the first floor an upstairs level. What would you call what I labeled as the first floor? The ground floor? And yes, I’m in the US. I’m guessing you are in England? Oh, the captain’s room. I really wanted to put it in the back where you have it. It’s entirely possible that Rolf doesn’t know what’s going on and that Liesl/Gretl are running from another space (the sunroom?). That way Georg can have the back of the house and the kids can have the front. What do you think would be on the top floor on the family side? Storage? School room? More staff space that is accessed from the stairs on the staff side of the house? Thanks for starting this thread. I think about your floor plans often, which is why I started making my own. It is fun to be the Von Trapp’s architect, especially when there are so many blanks to fill in.
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Post by indigoblue on Dec 21, 2019 0:42:34 GMT
Yes, the floor you walk into is the ground floor in the UK. The next floor up is the first floor, the next the second, etc. The top floor would nearly always be for staff, but perhaps a schoolroom would be possible. It would usually be fairly basic, without carpets etc, and with those small windows. One of those deleted scenes which shows Maria looking dreamily at the Captain out of her lakeside bedroom on the first floor (I think) - although really she would be much more likely to have been on the floor above.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 7, 2020 16:00:14 GMT
I've never seen this picture. I love it! Do you know at what point was this scene supposed to be in the movie? It kind of reminds me of Georg watching her from the balcony.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 8, 2020 0:29:51 GMT
I think it was after the Edelweiss scene; the captain wanders out on the terrace, looking dreamy, then the camera rises up to the first floor where Maria is sitting (as above) looking... er...dreamy... There is another deleted scene - I'll see if I can find it (disappears rummaging and not seen for a fortnight) sound-of-music-fics.freeforums.net/thread/129/deleted-scenes Here it is!
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Post by ANeedlePullingThread on Jan 8, 2020 2:32:32 GMT
I think it was after the Edelweiss scene; the captain wanders out on the terrace, looking dreamy, then the camera rises up to the first floor where Maria is sitting (as above) looking... er...dreamy... There is another deleted scene - I'll see if I can find it (disappears rummaging and not seen for a fortnight) sound-of-music-fics.freeforums.net/thread/129/deleted-scenes Here it is! So much of me would have loved to see the “dreamy Maria” scene. Sigh. The Rolfe scene would have added to our disgust with him. We saw what direction he was going in but the moment he sees Liesl and addresses her so callously was like a bucket of cold water. I guess it added to our heartbreak for her instead of watching the let down slowly. I’ll have to research and find someM&G Swoon stories tonight though.
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Post by chezlui on Jan 8, 2020 14:09:44 GMT
Floorplans!
I’ve been to the actual Villa Trapp (not the hotel they were filming at) and took pictures of the hallways and room names they had. I only have pictures of our room and the downstairs.
Compared with the Hotel they used for filming the exterior and the stage they filmed on, the Villa Trapp was tiny! But had a great view of the Untersberg.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 9, 2020 0:38:46 GMT
Any chance of you uploading those photos?!
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Post by chezlui on Jan 9, 2020 20:17:45 GMT
Sure! But it’ll have to be this weekend. Days are full with real life.
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