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Post by scullypout on Sept 18, 2020 19:48:14 GMT
reverendcaptain it’s a nice enough song, but yeah, definitely would prefer some more kissing instead! yes, it is! it’s because i love the face she pulls every time mulder says something dumb haha. i don’t normally use this username, but it’s my fanfiction alias, so i thought i’d use it here.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 29, 2020 16:18:38 GMT
reverendcaptain it’s a nice enough song, but yeah, definitely would prefer some more kissing instead! yes, it is! it’s because i love the face she pulls every time mulder says something dumb haha. i don’t normally use this username, but it’s my fanfiction alias, so i thought i’d use it here. Full disclosure here scullypout, Mulder and Scully were the first on screen couple that I was obsessed with. I didn't know fanfiction existed (outside of my own head) before the X-files. I would have to go to the library in college (since the dial up internet in my dorm was so unreliable) to get my fix on the Gossamer Archives. LOL! Unfortunately, the recent reboot of the show kind of ruined the characters for me. It used to be so great though, and one of the reasons I liked it was because it was such a slow burn (not unlike TSOM). Most shows have the main characters sleeping together by the first or second season, so there is no where to go with the romance part of the storyline except to the soap opera-y extreme - dramatic pregnancies, temporary amnesia, trips to the mental hospital, rising from the dead, etc. which I don't find that entertaining. Mulder and Scully were great because I was still falling out of my seat with excitement when they held hands in season 6. hahaha.
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Post by scullypout on Oct 1, 2020 4:45:47 GMT
reverendcaptain it’s a nice enough song, but yeah, definitely would prefer some more kissing instead! yes, it is! it’s because i love the face she pulls every time mulder says something dumb haha. i don’t normally use this username, but it’s my fanfiction alias, so i thought i’d use it here. Full disclosure here scullypout, Mulder and Scully were the first on screen couple that I was obsessed with. I didn't know fanfiction existed (outside of my own head) before the X-files. I would have to go to the library in college (since the dial up internet in my dorm was so unreliable) to get my fix on the Gossamer Archives. LOL! Unfortunately, the recent reboot of the show kind of ruined the characters for me. It used to be so great though, and one of the reasons I liked it was because it was such a slow burn (not unlike TSOM). Most shows have the main characters sleeping together by the first or second season, so there is no where to go with the romance part of the storyline except to the soap opera-y extreme - dramatic pregnancies, temporary amnesia, trips to the mental hospital, rising from the dead, etc. which I don't find that entertaining. Mulder and Scully were great because I was still falling out of my seat with excitement when they held hands in season 6. hahaha. I think Mulder and Scully might just be the all time greatest tv couple. I must have read almost everything on Gossamer (admittedly not using dial up) lmao. Ao3 also has a really, really good collection of high quality Mulder/Scully stories, and the amount of variety is so satisfying. I definitely think the fact that it’s so slow burn is what made the X Files and MSR so popular. I’m not too proud to admit that slow burn relationships are something I look for in a tv show, unless there’s already a hyper-healthy, already established relationship (like Whitecollar or Madam Secretary). I really enjoy the anticipation that ‘you’re my one in five billion’ and ‘you’re my touchstone’ and even that damn bee scene brings to the relationship. I like sci-fi, I like programmes that require attention, but I also reeaaaally like UST, and the X Files has it all. The problem with the reboots is that there’s too much Chris Carter, and he doesn’t respect his own characters and writes gross storylines. The start of my current relationship coincided with s10 of the reboot and a good chunk of our ‘talking’ stage was me introducing him to the X Files and him going ‘they’ve just spent the episode touching each other and gazing at each other, are you suuuuure they’re not gonna kiss soon?’ and it would be like... season 3 lol. Part of the reason I knew my boyfriend is the one is because he’s just as much of a sucker for the MSR slow burn as I am.
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Post by captainfraulein on May 3, 2021 10:39:23 GMT
This may be due to wishful thinking on my part (apologies if this is the case) but after they laugh and say “the children?” in the gazebo, as it’s fading to black, it kinda looks like Maria is leaning in for another kiss. *you need to watch closely as it only lasts for a split second but I swear. It's there and it gives me life.
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Post by augiesannie on May 5, 2021 0:07:47 GMT
This may be due to wishful thinking on my part (apologies if this is the case) but after they laugh and say “the children?” in the gazebo, as it’s fading to black, it kinda looks like Maria is leaning in for another kiss. *you need to watch closely as it only lasts for a split second but I swear. It's there and it gives me life. you're right! (and she's definitely pretty enthusiastic in the kiss just before that).
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 5, 2021 4:13:49 GMT
This may be due to wishful thinking on my part (apologies if this is the case) but after they laugh and say “the children?” in the gazebo, as it’s fading to black, it kinda looks like Maria is leaning in for another kiss. *you need to watch closely as it only lasts for a split second but I swear. It's there and it gives me life. Absolutely! And I wish it would have been in the movie, because I needed more kissing!
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Post by augiesannie on May 9, 2021 22:45:30 GMT
This may be due to wishful thinking on my part (apologies if this is the case) but after they laugh and say “the children?” in the gazebo, as it’s fading to black, it kinda looks like Maria is leaning in for another kiss. *you need to watch closely as it only lasts for a split second but I swear. It's there and it gives me life. Absolutely! And I wish it would have been in the movie, because I needed more kissing! it's things like that that made me start reading and eventually writing stories. so much I wanted to see that I had to invent for myself!
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Post by ANeedlePullingThread on May 22, 2021 2:11:24 GMT
Absolutely! And I wish it would have been in the movie, because I needed more kissing! it's things like that that made me start reading and eventually writing stories. so much I wanted to see that I had to invent for myself! This!!! As the scene brightened into the wedding I think she indeed would have leaned in for another kiss. *swoon*
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Post by missisa on Nov 26, 2021 22:23:06 GMT
After all, he might do her some serious harm with that sword of his. Sorry. Had to quote this even before I finish reading the whole thread. This made my day 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by missisa on Aug 30, 2022 12:17:16 GMT
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed a million times on this forum, but I can't find the exact thread. Sorry in advance! I thought that "Kissing" is a good place to pick up the conversation and not make the "About the gazebo" thread much longer Here goes my thoughts. After the kiss scene, just after Maria and Georg agree that they must ask "the children" for permission to get married- and just before an infamous jump to the wedding- what happened that same night?Surely they would have decided not to return to the house soon since Elsa would be packing her things to return to Vienna (and something tells me that a lady like her would take a long time to collect all her belongings). Now, it occurs to me that perhaps Georg himself decides to approach the house -with Maria by the hand, impossible to let go of her now?- to warn Franz to leave the door open later than usual, since their walk may take until late at night -a lot to talk about, a lot to kiss, a lot of time to spend as not to bother Elsa. What else do you think they talked about that same night?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 31, 2022 22:14:52 GMT
I think they stay in the gazebo talking and kissing until it gets too late/chilly outside. Elsa is high maintenance, but she is probably so upset (and embarrassed?) about the breakup that I picture her packing quickly and getting out of there so as to not have to interact with anyone. How does she get home?
Back to G&M. After the gazebo, I think they head to Georg's study. They wouldn't be ready to say goodnight yet, and no one knows they are a couple, so they don't have a chaperone. They would talk through their thoughts/hopes/fears about being together. Basically, talking about everything Elsa desperately wanted Georg to talk to her about, but he avoided like the plague.
Do they ask the children the next morning? Do they keep their secret a while longer? When does Max find out?
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Post by missisa on Sept 1, 2022 19:50:22 GMT
I think they stay in the gazebo talking and kissing until it gets too late/chilly outside. Elsa is high maintenance, but she is probably so upset (and embarrassed?) about the breakup that I picture her packing quickly and getting out of there so as to not have to interact with anyone. How does she get home? Back to G&M. After the gazebo, I think they head to Georg's study. They wouldn't be ready to say goodnight yet, and no one knows they are a couple, so they don't have a chaperone. They would talk through their thoughts/hopes/fears about being together. Basically, talking about everything Elsa desperately wanted Georg to talk to her about, but he avoided like the plague. Do they ask the children the next morning? Do they keep their secret a while longer? When does Max find out? All good questions. I used to imagine Elsa getting over her initial embarrassment by going back inside the house to pack her things and explaining to Max that she is leaving. Surely Max hadn't retired to bed by then and I don't think Elsa had the strength to play hide-and-seek. 💔 I imagine that someone like her would know how to communicate the breakup as a hasty decision made by her (she would let time clear things up when she was already far away) and, perhaps, asking Max to gather the service as soon as possible to help her with her departure. Could it be that Max actually escorted her to Vienna even if he returned to the villa afterwards? It would be very gentle of him. Regarding G&M meeting in the studio, it is something that I have read in so many fanfics that my imagination flies towards the flames 🔥 but, nevertheless, I think that perhaps their paths parted at the threshold of the house to continue the next day with the good news to the children and others (yes, I am one of the people who voted that they would wait until after the wedding, so seeing Georg in his study with the door closed and the path clear is an insane temptation 🥵)
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Post by Silver-White-Winters on Sept 4, 2022 7:05:57 GMT
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed a million times on this forum, but I can't find the exact thread. Sorry in advance! I thought that "Kissing" is a good place to pick up the conversation and not make the "About the gazebo" thread much longer Here goes my thoughts. After the kiss scene, just after Maria and Georg agree that they must ask "the children" for permission to get married- and just before an infamous jump to the wedding- what happened that same night?Surely they would have decided not to return to the house soon since Elsa would be packing her things to return to Vienna (and something tells me that a lady like her would take a long time to collect all her belongings). Now, it occurs to me that perhaps Georg himself decides to approach the house -with Maria by the hand, impossible to let go of her now?- to warn Franz to leave the door open later than usual, since their walk may take until late at night -a lot to talk about, a lot to kiss, a lot of time to spend as not to bother Elsa. What else do you think they talked about that same night? I have a theory on what happens when they go back into the villa after the gazebo scene. In addition to thinking about this before I entered the lovely rabbit hole of fanfiction, I have also read about it as well. Anyway. The doors to the terrace are most likely locked due to the fact that Georg might not have told Franz where he was going and what he was doing (bc honestly, I wouldn't tell a butler with a cranky attitude what I was up to). In theory, there's an entrance on the side of the villa that's never locked (making it easier to access for servants and such). In several fanfics, it is also noted that there are a handful of passage-ways that are kept secret. My theory is that M & G went through the side entrance, into one of the secret passage-ways and it led them to Georg's study. After all, with a villa that big, surely there has to be some sort of secretive passage-way. If that made sense? I'm rubbish at explaining things sometimes. Also, after they go to Georg's study, they probably get into some intense rated T kissing session. That is an opening for whether or not they waited. I also think that their kissing session was interrupted by either Marta or Gretl who had a nightmare and wanted their daddy (and they knew they could find him in his study).
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 8, 2022 18:47:46 GMT
I was thinking about the gazebo kissing today, and as always, wishing there were more kisses, but stopped to wonder, is there a limit on how many I actually want?
Side tangent: I saw a movie over the weekend in which the two main characters were in love. I found them likeable and compatible, and I was rooting for them to be together. Then there was this major R rated love scene. I ended it thinking that I should have been happy that they were finally able to be together, but I just wasn't. It would have somehow been more s*xy if there wasn't s*x. Does that even make sense?
A family friendly movie like TSOM was never going to have an all out love scene, but it got me thinking, at what point do I prefer that the movie stop showing me what happened and to let my imagination take over? I still want more kisses! I would take more passionate kisses! I would take more lovey dovey dialogue! But maybe everything else is best left to the fanfiction writers.
Which brings me to my second side note: This post is in no way directed at the "To M or not to M" conversation going on over in the Story Thread! Stories on fanfiction sites are a matter of preference. I'm talking about actual source material. And in reality, fanfiction writers probably prefer less explicit content in shows/movies too because it gives more room to make those scenes into whatever the writer wants.
How much is too much in a movie though? I know everyone was their own limits on this. My weekend movie just gave me a new appreciate for the "less is more" model used in TSOM, even though I will probably still continue to complain about the lack of good lighting, kisses, and I love yous in the gazebo scene.
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Post by Silver-White-Winters on Sept 9, 2022 0:03:51 GMT
I was thinking about the gazebo kissing today, and as always, wishing there were more kisses, but stopped to wonder, is there a limit on how many I actually want? Side tangent: I saw a movie over the weekend in which the two main characters were in love. I found them likeable and compatible, and I was rooting for them to be together. Then there was this major R rated love scene. I ended it thinking that I should have been happy that they were finally able to be together, but I just wasn't. It would have somehow been more s*xy if there wasn't s*x. Does that even make sense? A family friendly movie like TSOM was never going to have an all out love scene, but it got me thinking, at what point do I prefer that the movie stop showing me what happened and to let my imagination take over? I still want more kisses! I would take more passionate kisses! I would take more lovey dovey dialogue! But maybe everything else is best left to the fanfiction writers. Which brings me to my second side note: This post is in no way directed at the "To M or not to M" conversation going on over in the Story Thread! Stories on fanfiction sites are a matter of preference. I'm talking about actual source material. And in reality, fanfiction writers probably prefer less explicit content in shows/movies too because it gives more room to make those scenes into whatever the writer wants. How much is too much in a movie though? I know everyone was their own limits on this. My weekend movie just gave me a new appreciate for the "less is more" model used in TSOM, even though I will probably still continue to complain about the lack of good lighting, kisses, and I love yous in the gazebo scene. I have also pondered the question of "How much is too much?". I think it is all a matter of preference to each film viewer and on the side of the filmmakers, it is probably a matter of something similar (or, is it?). In my opinion, I feel like films should be have a T rated content. I feel like it's more enticing and seems more sexier in a way. 'Less is more', seems to be a good thing when used in terms of films/tv shows. To each, their own, honestly.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 9, 2022 23:19:27 GMT
I was interested to see a survey done last year, where people were asked how much steamy stuff they liked to see in a film. Amazingly, over half said they NEVER liked to see sexual content (other than kissing) in films - both men and women - but preferred more to be left to the imagination, as that increased their enjoyment of the film. Filmmakers take note!
I felt gratified by this, because I am certainly on the side of 'less is more'. It is so much more subtle to say whatever you need by the process of allusion, suggestion etc, and as a viewer, you can take away from it what you want. Personally, I would say the same for stories in fanfiction.
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Post by missisa on Sept 10, 2022 7:06:50 GMT
there are many examples of films whose high (or excessive) sexual content has relegated them to the background of mediocre films when they could have been much more "serious". I can think of Hannover Street for example. In my opinion there are many ways to film sexual scenes. In Spain, where I live, this explicit content is abused and it is very easy to fall into rudeness. Recording sexual scenes with elegance is very difficult. In the case of TSOM, something more than one kiss would have been great. Until where? well, at least more than "just the first kiss". I also think we miss that so much because a lot of those scenes are in shadow and backlit.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 23, 2022 3:45:54 GMT
Who closes their eyes first during the gazebo kiss? The scene is too dark. I can't figure it out.
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 23, 2022 23:37:29 GMT
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 26, 2022 19:37:05 GMT
I still can't tell. I think hers do? Maybe he was waiting to make sure she was ok before losing himself in it? He definitely opens his first after the kiss, maybe for the same reason.
Lovely fan video, BTW.
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 28, 2022 15:54:14 GMT
I think I must have seen this before where it is lighter (maybe at the cinema at a Singalong), because I am sure that she closes her eyes quite a bit before him, and, as you note, he opens his first.
She, I'm sure, can't believe what is happening to her, and he is so keen not to make a mistake that he keeps an eye on her to gauge her response.
Because actually, he still hasn't asked her whether she likes him, or wants a relationship with him - a bit risky given her commitment to the Abbey! So he's well advised to take it as gently as he doessssssss.......
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 1, 2023 0:41:15 GMT
this was a gorgeous thread I am sorry to have missed. I just wanted to speak in favor of "less is more," although I would have liked another kiss or two. I have always found that even though I try to write mature content, and like it when others do, the content never lives up to what my imagination can come up with on it own. On the page (or the screen) I always feel a little let down.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 21, 2024 19:31:05 GMT
Before the kiss, Georg guides her toward him with his touch on her chin, much earlier and much more so that he himself moves toward her. Is this to give her time to back out? Or to avoid putting himself in her personal space uninvited in case she didn't want that? Thoughts on the lead up to the first kiss and why Georg initiated it the way he did?
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 25, 2024 23:56:21 GMT
Before the kiss, Georg guides her toward him with his touch on her chin, much earlier and much more so that he himself moves toward her. Is this to give her time to back out? Or to avoid putting himself in her personal space uninvited in case she didn't want that? Thoughts on the lead up to the first kiss and why Georg initiated it the way he did? This is such a good question (and thanks for giving me a reason to watch that kiss another few times). Yes, it makes sense that he brings her toward him so that when they do kiss, it is more in the middle and not him invading her space. Although on the other hand, doesn’t it position him as holding her in place - it would be hard for her to pull away from him? I also think it might be a kind of counter to her inexperience??
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 28, 2024 19:44:10 GMT
Before the kiss, Georg guides her toward him with his touch on her chin, much earlier and much more so that he himself moves toward her. Is this to give her time to back out? Or to avoid putting himself in her personal space uninvited in case she didn't want that? Thoughts on the lead up to the first kiss and why Georg initiated it the way he did? This is such a good question (and thanks for giving me a reason to watch that kiss another few times). Yes, it makes sense that he brings her toward him so that when they do kiss, it is more in the middle and not him invading her space. Although on the other hand, doesn’t it position him as holding her in place - it would be hard for her to pull away from him? I also think it might be a kind of counter to her inexperience?? I think she could have pulled away if she wanted to. His touch was very gentle. I like your "counter to her inexperience" angle. If he slowly brings her over to him, he is making it very clear what is going to happen, as opposed to just leaning into her space for a smooch, which may have taken her off guard. He's watching her closely this whole time too. I think to make sure she knows his intent and wants it to happen. We were talking over in the gazebo thread recently about Georg's lips quivering right before the kiss. Maybe this quivering was the internal battle of him wanting to go right in for the kiss, but instead deciding to take her inexperience into account and go for the chin tilt?
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 1, 2024 23:34:59 GMT
I agree that his drawing her gently towards him lets her know what he would like, whilst at the same time giving her time to extricate herself.
I also think it shows that he is 'in control', as perhaps one would expect of a military man and master of the house, and her senior; things are very different these days, being far more egalitarian between the sexes. But somehow given all those things, it seems appropriate to me that in that 1930s setting, he should be making this very deliberate move.
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