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Post by augiesannie on Feb 22, 2014 21:27:11 GMT
...actually, what I was thinking was how much I like the idea that things stay just as they are in the movie, but they look different because of what has happened between M&G. Imagine how mortified M is in her conversation with Elsa, and how confused/bewildered, post-closet.
I mean, I like what all of you are suggesting TOO, don't get me wrong, and I've seen good stories in that direction. I was just musing on how things look different even when they're the same. Like I was watching the end of the Laendler when their faces are thisclose and thinking how post-closet they are remembering their kiss....
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Post by lemacd on Feb 22, 2014 21:48:27 GMT
i know what you mean.. watching the laendler with the context of different fanfic in you mind. every scene was like that while writing that epic story that has already been mentioned enough today that saying it again seems like self promotion. meeting the children, my favorite things, rowboat. watching the laendler didn't quite work in that case, but i can see how interesting it would be with an altered storyline playing underneath it in your head.
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Post by utility_singer on Feb 22, 2014 21:58:56 GMT
I’m sure George went with Maria. Up to her room I mean. Maybe Elsa would find them in some kind of intimate position and then she can run away! Well, in Please Don't Go, G & M are walking back to the villa hand-in-hand and the "grand and glorious party" is still going on. Not entirely sure what will happen, only that there will be fireworks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 22:00:11 GMT
...actually, what I was thinking was how much I like the idea that things stay just as they are in the movie, but they look different because of what has happened between M&G. Imagine how mortified M is in her conversation with Elsa, and how confused/bewildered, post-closet. I mean, I like what all of you are suggesting TOO, don't get me wrong, and I've seen good stories in that direction. I was just musing on how things look different even when they're the same. Like I was watching the end of the Laendler when their faces are thisclose and thinking how post-closet they are remembering their kiss.... Yeah totally get what you are talking about... I guess my brain just likes the speculation! |
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Post by mireille on Feb 22, 2014 22:03:48 GMT
I’m sure George went with Maria. Up to her room I mean. Maybe Elsa would find them in some kind of intimate position and then she can run away! Well, in Please Don't Go, G & M are walking back to the villa hand-in-hand and the "grand and glorious party" is still going on. Not entirely sure what will happen, only that there will be fireworks. Love how you're thinking! Just not sure if I will like the last part....there are different kind of 'fireworks' which one are you using? That's the question! |
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Post by utility_singer on Feb 22, 2014 22:06:07 GMT
Ah, that has to remain secret! lol
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Post by mireille on Feb 22, 2014 22:17:39 GMT
Grrrrr! But will this secret unveil in the near future?
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Post by utility_singer on Feb 22, 2014 22:36:35 GMT
LOL I'm working on it!
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Post by bloghey131313 on Jan 11, 2016 19:33:13 GMT
Ahhh, this laendler scene makes me lose my mind every. single. time. The chemistry between CP and JA is absolutely magical! Also I'm sure this has been mentioned before but just the fact that they can't take their eyes off each other at the end of the dance, even when Brigitta says "your face is all red" just kills me
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Post by clarinetjamie on Jan 18, 2016 0:05:19 GMT
Yep, it's like no one else is existing in that moment.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 26, 2016 0:14:07 GMT
 I just love this part of the movie, both for the romanticism between them, but also because CP brings another dimension to the character here; although you can tell he is completely taken with Maria, he adds just enough malevolence to make the scene intriguing (rather like Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights). CP ensures you aren't always exactly certain what he is feeling, which adds to the mystery and complexity of his character...and...er...sexiness... |
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Post by clarinetjamie on Feb 26, 2016 0:19:25 GMT
Ah yes, the way he is looking at her you can totally see the desire in those eyes. If she hadn't pulled away he may have just kissed her right there on the spot. At this point I think they have completely forgotten everyone else there.
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Post by augiesannie on Feb 28, 2016 22:43:34 GMT
Agree with all this .... recently I began to think that there is almost a tenderness to the way he looks at her as well...
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Post by utility_singer on Mar 1, 2016 15:42:31 GMT
Agree with all this .... recently I began to think that there is almost a tenderness to the way he looks at her as well... It's like we are watching as the last of the stone wall falls away from his heart..... |
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Post by bloghey131313 on Mar 1, 2016 22:37:35 GMT
utility_singer, that was beautiful.
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Post by utility_singer on Mar 2, 2016 0:49:05 GMT
Aw shucks, thanks :-)
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 25, 2016 22:53:22 GMT
 I love the way CP remains so in character throughout - here, Georg must be almost overwhelmed to realise he has fallen for her (when he should be paying attention to Elsa), but despite all that emotion flying around, CP makes virtually no movement or expression to indicate that. He just looks at her so intently (and with an intensity that other actors would not manage-think of that audition clip of Keith Michel as the Captain - so lightweight compared to CP!). It is only because he can't take his eyes off her, and the faintest glimmer of a smile on his face that you KNOW he is so taken with her. All very understated, and continuing this 'stillness' and absence of gestures with which CP is such a genius.
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Post by augiesannie on May 19, 2016 14:31:39 GMT
Love lovelove, indigoblue. This picture also made me: appreciate Maria's shy downward gaze. And something else about CP in addition to the genius observations you've already made: we know G has noticed her before, right, there are those flirty moments during Edelweiss, and at the beginning of this dance. But in this moment, it looks like he is finally realizing that he has met his match, that he isn't going to be able to shrug off his attraction to her, that he is in deep. |
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Post by clarinetjamie on May 19, 2016 22:01:02 GMT
Love that photo, how he can't peal his eyes away from her and she can't bring herself to look up at him and we all know what happens when she does. He speaks volumes through his eyes alone with that intense gaze. When she does look up, not only can she not find her breath, but perhaps she really does forget the dance because her head is in a whirlwind and she's finding it hard to think as well thus the need to suddenly back away and put distance between them. I know we have discussed it to exhaustion, but I do believe that this is the point in the movie that he realizes he's in love with her and that it's not just an infatuation.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on May 20, 2016 4:13:32 GMT
Yeah I always thought she 'forgot' it because she is too overwhelmed to think straight
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Post by pandaexpress on Feb 9, 2020 7:29:10 GMT
One question I have about the Laendler is whether or not you think the original dance required them to be that close at the end. I've read stories where it says Georg pulled her closer than necessary, so what do you guys think?
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Post by utility_singer on Feb 9, 2020 12:00:04 GMT
It's a courtship dance, so I imagine there is quite a bit of variation in how close the pair can be.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 9, 2020 15:27:07 GMT
You can see how other people dance it in the background in the ballroom (although not right at the end, the important bit!) Also you can see it on YouTube under The Laendler. But I like the way G&M do it...
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Post by clarinetjamie on Feb 19, 2020 0:06:09 GMT
In a traditional Landler they actually dance quite close to one another and there are quite a few arm twirls and positions that can be quite complicated. At one time the Catholic church actually deemed the dance as being too neurotic, go figure. It's a courtship dance which also lends more to the awkwardness of it all when they are caught by Elsa and when they are close and gazing into each other's eyes. Her blushing tells us a lot in that moment as well as his tender smile. I have read where there are some versions that actually have a kiss at the end of the dance as well. This has to be one of my favorite scenes in the whole movie.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 20, 2020 20:10:18 GMT
Do you think Elsa was out on the terrace looking for Georg so that they could dance the courtship dance together? She had to hope that this party was announcing to his friends that he intended to propose soon right? Then he's dancing this dance with Maria...
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 21, 2020 0:23:46 GMT
Yes, I definitely think she came searching for him - maybe after talking to some people in the hall, then realising the Laendler was being played and - oh where is Georg? It must have been such a shock to find him dancing there with Maria.
This makes me wonder how long Elsa has known him? If she hasn't known him for long, then she would have to accept that he clearly was more complicated than the person she had met in Vienna. But if she has known him for a long time, then this would have really hurt. In the circumstances, she was remarkably civil (only finding it rather warm, rather than something a lot more spiteful). How long do you think she has known him?
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Post by clarinetjamie on Feb 22, 2020 5:38:14 GMT
She definitely went looking for him and I'm sure it was for a couple of reasons. One, he had simply disappeared from among all the guests and she probably couldn't find him and was wondering where he had wandered off too. By this point she is also very suspicious of his feelings for the governess and vice versa. Two, she probably does want to dance this dance with them. The look on her face when she catches him dancing a courtship dance is one of uncertainty and hurt.
As for how long they have known each other I would guess at least a couple of years. I'm sure that they have both known of each other for even longer, especially since he was a national hero and figure.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 26, 2020 17:26:11 GMT
If Elsa hasn't know Georg that long, then it would be easier for her to cut her losses and break up with him when it become obvious that he has eyes for the governess. I think she is very invested in this relationship, which is why she keeps fighting to save it. That being said, I still don't know how long that means. Gretl is 5, and we don't know how long after she was born that Agathe died, and it would take him a while to want to date someone. They may have known each other superficially for longer, but as far as being a couple, I don't know. 1 year? 2 years?
I agree that she was remarkably civil after the laendler. I suppose it would not be suitable for the perfect hostess to make a scene at her own party about her man dancing with the help. Still, she could have let him know under her breath what she thought of his behavior. It is hard for me to understand the gender roles and high society rules of the time though, maybe this would have been seen as inappropriate for her to comment on.
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Post by Reisova on Oct 22, 2021 20:39:26 GMT
It's a courtship dance, so I imagine there is quite a bit of variation in how close the pair can be. I was always wondering are they JA and CP practices together this dance and how long. I saw one hilarious picture by CP in some funny clothing. Ha ha !! But maybe, just maybe they bond during by practising their dance. It's just she was so busy during filming and those moments they get to know each other. How really nice JA is, no fake, so natural, smayly and simple beautiful. And what we saw in movie was just pic of all. Let's say... |
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 24, 2021 22:44:44 GMT
That's a good point, those two finding that even practising the Laendler had the same effect that Georg and Maria experienced!
Do you still have that photo? Apparently CP wore ballet tights to the first practice as a joke, but I have never seen a picture of him then - would love to see it!
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