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Post by indigoblue on Mar 2, 2023 0:05:31 GMT
I suppose it was a bit of an awkward situation, with his kids all watching and Brigitta just there, and Elsa shimmying by; he probably didn't want to say anything incriminating so got stuck for words, and a smile was all he could manage.
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 2, 2023 1:37:43 GMT
Sorry if this has been posted before. Then again, this is 16 pages long so I'm going to guess that it has, but I couldn't seem to find it... Anyway, I just watched the Laendler again... For research purposes of course 😉 After M says "I suppose I'm not used to dancing", G gives her a little smile. This seemed a little odd to me, I'd have preferred for him to keep the look of 'Oh sh*t. I'm in love with the her' on his face. After all, they had just shared such an intense moment, filled to the absolute brim of the most delicious s*xual tension I might add , so a smile seems to be something that sticks in my mind. What do you think was going through his head at that moment? Was the spell already broken? Or was it him realising that she might just feel the same way? I still adore that scene and believe it is the most romantic scene I've ever seen in a movie, but it always sets my mind whirling about what he was thinking at that particular moment. Oh and here's a little GIF, just for loveliness. View AttachmentYou should never apologize MeltIntoSpring because this is what keeps the conversation going! I love that little smile, although I think you are right that it is a bit of an interruption. There’s a tenderness to it. Yes, that might be because he realizes that she has feelings in return. I also think that it cuts through the s*xual tension in a way that could reassure her (otherwise he might be almost scary). He has that edge to him but he also has that soft spot. Kind of like the little smile Georg gives Maria after singing for her - the gaze that melts her to the floor, followed by the tender and light-hearted smile of a boy in love
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 2, 2023 1:44:40 GMT
I think he thought he would never fall for anyone again after Agathe, until he met Elsa. He was expecting that 'magic moment' with her at the villa when everything would fall into place and, even if it wasn't pure love, the relationship would feel right enough for him to propose...except that moment hadn't happened yet. Then he danced with Maria as a little amusement, a distraction after he saw her dancing with Kurt, and...well...she did have a certain magnetism about her, with that lovely fresh face and her insouciance, which he would ignore because he knew the kids were watching. Except that magnetism was more powerful the closer he got to her, and that face so near was mesmerising. And when he turned her around, he could smell her skin and her body was so neat and warm that he had to stop himself from closing his arms around her as she came up against them. And when she was near he couldn't look away because those pools that were her eyes were looking into his and he sensed her breathing quickening next to him, and then he realised she was the one. She was the one he had been looking for, and never thought he would find, right there in front of him, in his arms. But seven pairs of eyes bored into him, and worse, out of the corner of his eye he could see a gold-wrapped figure emerging from the ballroom. He had to know, what did Maria think? Because he knew he was in trouble: not only with Elsa, but because he had fallen for his children's governess, and that was going to take some explaining. Perhaps this was going to be the only time he would be so close, so intimate with her. Those precious seconds were all he had to read her, to tell her he cared more than he could say, before he had to turn to face the music. Just something to let her know she was the one for him, something no one else would see. So he let the faintest smile fall from his lips, just enough to let her know he would wait for her till the end of time. Oops! Sorry, got a little carried away there! YES! THIS!! Amazing post, Indigo! I am 100% on board with them falling for each other during this dance. There is a definite change from friends to something more as they twirled themselves into each others arms at the end. I like that you used the word magnetism. That's how it feels, both physically and emotionally to me, like they are magnets being drawn together. I agree that Georg was so hoping to find this sort of connection with Elsa, but it never came no matter how hard they both tried in their own ways. As for the smile, I always thought it was him reassuring her that everything was ok. He realized how passionate things just got (as augiesannie said, the intensity of his gaze was almost scary), and also realized that she pulled back and was panicking. The smiles say to me "Relax. Everything is ok. I loved dancing with you." Though, I'm not prepared to argue with indigoblue in her "he would wait for her till the end of time" theory. I could easily get on board with this! How romantic! I'm at this point in my story - and if you have been reading the muck in my head that I occasionally publish, I have always felt Georg had fallen for Maria from the beginning. (Really, he's a man and a hot one, at that!) But, his behaviour towards her is somewhat tempered by the fact that she's unattainable and/or would not want him (Nunnery, age gap thing, and baggage) and also because he could never possibly have a wife from outside of the nobility: class was more important than love. I think this sense of 'unattainable' is a volatile safety net: she won't want me/I can't have her, might as well enjoy the ride! Then the Laendler happens and the realization is he would wait for her forever as has already been so eloquently posted and that it's now clear that she is his future, and heck with all that social standing stuff. It's also clear to him that she loves him, too and he's at the point where he is willing to trash convention. I feel this is why he's so flustered by Elsa's arrival (apart from getting caught)...
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 2, 2023 1:48:36 GMT
Let’s have some fun imagining what he might have said. I don't think words could do this scene justice. His eyes do all the talking and Maria's blushing is the answer.
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 20, 2023 10:25:10 GMT
love love love all of this. Still not tired of it after 17 pages. If he said anything at all, I could imagine his accidentally calling her "Maria" for the first time. Hmmmm I don't think he calls her "Fraulein" again - the next time he calls her by name, it is "Maria" in the gazebo. Also, I know I am tiresome on this subject, but if everything you say is true, Chris&Byng and indigoblue, then what do you make of his offhand "you can if you want to?" (I know, not the first time we've discussed but I love it so much!)
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 21, 2023 0:09:01 GMT
I just think he really wanted her to make up her own mind about it, so that she would feel comfortable about what she decided. So phrasing it so loosely like that, she could decide "Yes, I'll join them" or "No, I won't" without pressure either way from him.
I know "You can if you want to" sounds casual, but also it avoids putting her under pressure from him.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 22, 2023 22:35:21 GMT
love love love all of this. Still not tired of it after 17 pages. If he said anything at all, I could imagine his accidentally calling her "Maria" for the first time. Hmmmm I don't think he calls her "Fraulein" again - the next time he calls her by name, it is "Maria" in the gazebo. Also, I know I am tiresome on this subject, but if everything you say is true, Chris&Byng and indigoblue , then what do you make of his offhand "you can if you want to?" (I know, not the first time we've discussed but I love it so much!) I don't find it tiresome at all. I obsess over this scene often. I think we need to form some sort of "you can if you want to" support group augiesannie . No matter how hard I try, I just can't get past his behavior here. I know he doesn't have a choice, but after everything that just happened between them, I wanted him to be more considerate of her feelings here. As for him accidentally calling her Maria...think what an impact that would have had. One soft whisper of her name would speak volumes after this dance. And might have made Elsa implode on the spot!
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 23, 2023 0:11:51 GMT
love love love all of this. Still not tired of it after 17 pages. If he said anything at all, I could imagine his accidentally calling her "Maria" for the first time. Hmmmm I don't think he calls her "Fraulein" again - the next time he calls her by name, it is "Maria" in the gazebo. Also, I know I am tiresome on this subject, but if everything you say is true, Chris&Byng and indigoblue , then what do you make of his offhand "you can if you want to?" (I know, not the first time we've discussed but I love it so much!) I don't find it tiresome at all. I obsess over this scene often. I think we need to form some sort of "you can if you want to" support group augiesannie . No matter how hard I try, I just can't get past his behavior here. I know he doesn't have a choice, but after everything that just happened between them, I wanted him to be more considerate of her feelings here. As for him accidentally calling her Maria...think what an impact that would have had. One soft whisper of her name would speak volumes after this dance. And might have made Elsa implode on the spot! Haha Love this idea - we could have many support groups on this site! However, this whole business of "you can if you want to" is so delicious, it could have it's own merch collection
I have always been intrigued by the energy / unspoken and spoken words between Elsa and Georg after he gets 'caught'. Like, "it's a bit chilly out tonight"; what the heck is that about? He's trying to change the topic to absolutely ANYTHING since he is so frazzled after that dance. The weather is the first thing he grabs on to!. Then Elsa quips back with the 'seems rather warm to me' comment and Georg does that weird whistling through your teeth thing your grand-dad would do when he was tinkering in the garage or basement. Georg's behaviour is so NOT typical of Georg and definitely not becoming of the host of a grand and glorious party. When Maria calls all the guests into the foyer, he heads out ASAP - thankful for the opportunity to break the awkward tension. BUT THEN (don't you hate it when people use CAPS for EMPHASIS? haha) there's that intervening period when the children say goodnight and this happens: i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/196/5-sound-music/full/sound-music-movie-screencaps.com-11034.jpg?ssl=1
What's going on there, pray tell? (there's a forum for that, I think? so I won't go there now). It's definitely intense and almost as though the staring competition they had after the Laendler never missed a beat - they just pick up where they left off.
AND THEN just when he thought he had finally got away with being caught, Max invites Maria to dinner. Georg's probably ready to implode at this point and he's still trying to make a show for Elsa that what she saw on the terrace meant absolutely nothing to him (when, in fact, it meant everything), so the "you can if you want to" is a flippant dismissal of what just happened. The Captain trying to right the ship, so to speak.
Elsa, of course, knew better - she decided rather quickly she needed to scare Maria off her man...
Just my 2 cents (about $0.45 with inflation hahaha)...
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 28, 2023 11:06:33 GMT
Chris&Byng, your two cents are worth a million! (To use caps for emphasis, I LOVED all of the above, including the bit about grand-dad's whistle, that is exactly right!) Also funny how he brings up the weather. As for that glance-across-the-room screencap, while it's been pointed out before, I never thought of it as picking up where they left off, that is DELICIOUS. (see what I did there?) I also never noticed before that in that screencap, Elsa is looking at them look at each other. reverendcaptain I think that "you can if you want to" scene is in every story I've ever written! well almost.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 6, 2023 21:03:30 GMT
On my last Laendler watch, I noticed a look that I haven't noticed before. Maybe I am just imagining it. Maria has backed away and has her hands on her face, but just as she says "I don't suppose I'm used to dancing" there is a twinkle in her eye and her expression almost seems to soften into a smile. I can't find a good screencap. Take a close look the next time you watch and tell me what you think. I always see them as both freaking out at this point, and then Georg finally melting into a smile to comfort her. But what if it was actually her smile that reassured him and not the other way around? They are both panicking, her because she is realizing that she has feelings for him and that dance was then inappropriate for them to be dancing, and him because he's afraid he just screwed up the best thing that's ever happened to him (a woman that he is falling in love with, that is healing his broken heart, and is being a mother his children). He might have just made the biggest mistake of his life in pushing her so far that she was uncomfortable with him. Then, when she seemed so overwhelmed that he was frozen with fear, she gives him the hint of a smile. His tension leaves him and he able to give a soft smile in return that is filled with relief and comfort and continued fascination with this woman that is so innocent yet so daring.
Also, have you ever noticed that the guests in the ballroom clap at the end of the Laendler? They don't after any other song. Maybe this is a show of Austrian pride in the face of the Nazis in attendance? Though, it happens to coincide perfectly with this moment of reconcile between G&M after the Laendler dance. It's like, we've officially moved into the "something more than friends" stage of the relationship. Cue the applause!
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 6, 2023 22:41:52 GMT
Yes, Maria does give a reassuring smile while her hands are on her cheeks - I have never really noticed it before, but it does fit exactly as you say, to give HIM reassurance that she was happy with what had just happened. Great observation!
It sort of adds weight to that long stare between them in the hall at the end of So Long, Farewell; I always thought it was a bit 'heavy' considering he wasn't sure what she felt after the Laendler - almost too overpowering of him to stare at her like that for so long (especially considering their different status). But as she gave him that reassuring smile FIRST at the end of the Laendler, then he knows she is right on board - Delicious!
I had noticed the clapping, and I do think it is a show of patriotism in the prescence of members of the occupying force. But it is also an important moment of emphasis at the end of the Laendler - both, as you say, to mark that change, but if it wasn't there, that part where they are gazing at each other would seem quite amorphous. So I think it is also a sort of a punctuation point before Elsa puts her view over, "What a lovely couple you make".
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 12, 2023 19:48:57 GMT
Yes, Maria does give a reassuring smile while her hands are on her cheeks - I have never really noticed it before, but it does fit exactly as you say, to give HIM reassurance that she was happy with what had just happened. Great observation! It sort of adds weight to that long stare between them in the hall at the end of So Long, Farewell; I always thought it was a bit 'heavy' considering he wasn't sure what she felt after the Laendler - almost too overpowering of him to stare at her like that for so long (especially considering their different status). But as she gave him that reassuring smile FIRST at the end of the Laendler, then he knows she is right on board - Delicious! I had noticed the clapping, and I do think it is a show of patriotism in the prescence of members of the occupying force. But it is also an important moment of emphasis at the end of the Laendler - both, as you say, to mark that change, but if it wasn't there, that part where they are gazing at each other would seem quite amorphous. So I think it is also a sort of a punctuation point before Elsa puts her view over, "What a lovely couple you make". I'm glad you brought up how this impacts the stare down in the hall, Indigo, because I was thinking the same thing. I feel like the Laendler was in stages. First hesitant, then fun, then getting serious, then SUPER intense. Neither was sure how the other felt during the stare down at the end of the dance. It was so intense that Maria backed away. The smiles after, especially if they were initiated by Maria, signify that the dance had not damaged their friendship. Now that they know they are still friends, and are also acknowledging that they are something more, the stare down in the hall is allowed to be nothing but delicious smoldering intensity, with neither backing away or misunderstanding the other.
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 14, 2023 22:50:19 GMT
I just adore watching the Captain wandering through the ballroom while Maria and Kurt are trying out their dance moves. From a psychological point of view, it is effective at showing him as a solitary figure, 'inspecting his troops' as though a captain on his ship, perhaps lonely in a crowd. Then the cinematic skills of the director are revealed, as Georg turns his back on us, showing the blankness of the 'all black' of his hair and tailcoat. Then he turns and we see not only the features of his face, but the progression of his expression from surprise to curiosity to amusement to even a slight excitement at his intent to step in to the proceedings to dance with Maria.
Oh, yes, and I also just like watching CP too, but that goes without saying...
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Post by Chris&Byng on Apr 14, 2023 23:37:53 GMT
On my last Laendler watch, I noticed a look that I haven't noticed before. Maybe I am just imagining it. Maria has backed away and has her hands on her face, but just as she says "I don't suppose I'm used to dancing" there is a twinkle in her eye and her expression almost seems to soften into a smile. I can't find a good screencap. Take a close look the next time you watch and tell me what you think. I always see them as both freaking out at this point, and then Georg finally melting into a smile to comfort her. But what if it was actually her smile that reassured him and not the other way around? They are both panicking, her because she is realizing that she has feelings for him and that dance was then inappropriate for them to be dancing, and him because he's afraid he just screwed up the best thing that's ever happened to him (a woman that he is falling in love with, that is healing his broken heart, and is being a mother his children). He might have just made the biggest mistake of his life in pushing her so far that she was uncomfortable with him. Then, when she seemed so overwhelmed that he was frozen with fear, she gives him the hint of a smile. His tension leaves him and he able to give a soft smile in return that is filled with relief and comfort and continued fascination with this woman that is so innocent yet so daring. Also, have you ever noticed that the guests in the ballroom clap at the end of the Laendler? They don't after any other song. Maybe this is a show of Austrian pride in the face of the Nazis in attendance? Though, it happens to coincide perfectly with this moment of reconcile between G&M after the Laendler dance. It's like, we've officially moved into the "something more than friends" stage of the relationship. Cue the applause! OMG reverendcaptain I love this! And you know what else is 'freaky', I just had a revelation about this sequence and had to come here to ask everyone about it.
So, today's Instagram (c/o the Sound of Music page) was the clip when Brigitta says (watching the dancing in the ballroom) "the women are so beautiful", and Kurt follows up with "I think they're ugly". Louisa says he only thinks that because he's scared of them...and Kurt says "only grown up men are scared of women". This fit in so well with your observations about Georg looking afraid (and not the other way around)...it's all very wonderful foreshadowing, and we know Bob Wise doesn't mess around with his movies. He had a reason for this being here at this moment.
So, this also got me thinking there HAS to be a backstory (yes, I am trying to put down my ideas about this for my story as we speak!). I was wondering what everyone thinks is the original "source" of this declaration. I am thinking Georg has said something to Kurt, or Kurt has overheard this? or maybe Maria has said something about how Georg has danced around the Baroness and doesn't look comfortable. THOUGHTS?
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Post by Chris&Byng on Apr 14, 2023 23:40:24 GMT
I just adore watching the Captain wandering through the ballroom while Maria and Kurt are trying out their dance moves. From a psychological point of view, it is effective at showing him as a solitary figure, 'inspecting his troops' as though a captain on his ship, perhaps lonely in a crowd. Then the cinematic skills of the director are revealed, as Georg turns his back on us, showing the blankness of the 'all black' of his hair and tailcoat. Then he turns and we see not only the features of his face, but the progression of his expression from curiosity to amusement and his intent to step in to the proceedings to dance with Maria. Oh, yes, and I also just like watching CP too, but that goes without saying... Oh My heart !!! Brilliant observation about the darkness and then the light on his features. Kind of drums up the sense of 'heaven' in a way....turning away from darkness into the light...which would be our Maria?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 19, 2023 19:44:18 GMT
On my last Laendler watch, I noticed a look that I haven't noticed before. Maybe I am just imagining it. Maria has backed away and has her hands on her face, but just as she says "I don't suppose I'm used to dancing" there is a twinkle in her eye and her expression almost seems to soften into a smile. I can't find a good screencap. Take a close look the next time you watch and tell me what you think. I always see them as both freaking out at this point, and then Georg finally melting into a smile to comfort her. But what if it was actually her smile that reassured him and not the other way around? They are both panicking, her because she is realizing that she has feelings for him and that dance was then inappropriate for them to be dancing, and him because he's afraid he just screwed up the best thing that's ever happened to him (a woman that he is falling in love with, that is healing his broken heart, and is being a mother his children). He might have just made the biggest mistake of his life in pushing her so far that she was uncomfortable with him. Then, when she seemed so overwhelmed that he was frozen with fear, she gives him the hint of a smile. His tension leaves him and he able to give a soft smile in return that is filled with relief and comfort and continued fascination with this woman that is so innocent yet so daring. Also, have you ever noticed that the guests in the ballroom clap at the end of the Laendler? They don't after any other song. Maybe this is a show of Austrian pride in the face of the Nazis in attendance? Though, it happens to coincide perfectly with this moment of reconcile between G&M after the Laendler dance. It's like, we've officially moved into the "something more than friends" stage of the relationship. Cue the applause! OMG reverendcaptain I love this! And you know what else is 'freaky', I just had a revelation about this sequence and had to come here to ask everyone about it.
So, today's Instagram (c/o the Sound of Music page) was the clip when Brigitta says (watching the dancing in the ballroom) "the women are so beautiful", and Kurt follows up with "I think they're ugly". Louisa says he only thinks that because he's scared of them...and Kurt says "only grown up men are scared of women". This fit in so well with your observations about Georg looking afraid (and not the other way around)...it's all very wonderful foreshadowing, and we know Bob Wise doesn't mess around with his movies. He had a reason for this being here at this moment.
So, this also got me thinking there HAS to be a backstory (yes, I am trying to put down my ideas about this for my story as we speak!). I was wondering what everyone thinks is the original "source" of this declaration. I am thinking Georg has said something to Kurt, or Kurt has overheard this? or maybe Maria has said something about how Georg has danced around the Baroness and doesn't look comfortable. THOUGHTS?
This is a tough one. I've wondered about it before. Though I have never put it together that we see a grown man (Georg) clearly afraid of a woman (Maria) immediately after this. Great observation! Maybe afraid of her isn't exactly right. It is more afraid that he has made her uncomfortable around him. But why would Kurt be of this opinion beforehand? I'm assuming given the level of grief Georg feels that he hasn't dated anyone in the timeframe between Agathe's death and his relationship with Elsa. So, it's not like every time a new girlfriend is around, Georg acts nervous around her and the children pick up on it. They haven't hosted a party in years. They don't seem to have frequent house guests. I don't see Georg as one to elaborate on relationship insights with his 11 year old. Hmmm. My money is on Max. "Men are afraid of women" seems like something he would say in a joking way. Or maybe Kurt asked him why he didn't invite a date to the party, and he said he was afraid of women (again, in a joking way) to avoid the question? Then Kurt decided this was something that would make him seem knowledgeable to say later?
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Post by Chris&Byng on Apr 20, 2023 0:48:36 GMT
OMG reverendcaptain I love this! And you know what else is 'freaky', I just had a revelation about this sequence and had to come here to ask everyone about it.
So, today's Instagram (c/o the Sound of Music page) was the clip when Brigitta says (watching the dancing in the ballroom) "the women are so beautiful", and Kurt follows up with "I think they're ugly". Louisa says he only thinks that because he's scared of them...and Kurt says "only grown up men are scared of women". This fit in so well with your observations about Georg looking afraid (and not the other way around)...it's all very wonderful foreshadowing, and we know Bob Wise doesn't mess around with his movies. He had a reason for this being here at this moment.
So, this also got me thinking there HAS to be a backstory (yes, I am trying to put down my ideas about this for my story as we speak!). I was wondering what everyone thinks is the original "source" of this declaration. I am thinking Georg has said something to Kurt, or Kurt has overheard this? or maybe Maria has said something about how Georg has danced around the Baroness and doesn't look comfortable. THOUGHTS?
This is a tough one. I've wondered about it before. Though I have never put it together that we see a grown man (Georg) clearly afraid of a woman (Maria) immediately after this. Great observation! Maybe afraid of her isn't exactly right. It is more afraid that he has made her uncomfortable around him. But why would Kurt be of this opinion beforehand? I'm assuming given the level of grief Georg feels that he hasn't dated anyone in the timeframe between Agathe's death and his relationship with Elsa. So, it's not like every time a new girlfriend is around, Georg acts nervous around her and the children pick up on it. They haven't hosted a party in years. They don't seem to have frequent house guests. I don't see Georg as one to elaborate on relationship insights with his 11 year old. Hmmm. My money is on Max. "Men are afraid of women" seems like something he would say in a joking way. Or maybe Kurt asked him why he didn't invite a date to the party, and he said he was afraid of women (again, in a joking way) to avoid the question? Then Kurt decided this was something that would make him seem knowledgeable to say later? Oh! I love this idea - that it was Max. I think you probably have hit the nail on the head. It didn't seem to be something like Georg would say...but I did ponder a possible link between women and submarines, because it's sailor's superstition not to have a woman on a boat (unless she's naked).
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 21, 2023 22:06:00 GMT
Is there a connection with the idea that Max is gay?
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Post by Chris&Byng on Apr 24, 2023 23:11:06 GMT
Is there a connection with the idea that Max is gay? indigoblue this is a VERY interesting idea... makes me go hmmmm
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Post by reverendcaptain on Apr 27, 2023 1:16:23 GMT
Is there a connection with the idea that Max is gay? Maybe? Saying he is afraid of women is an easy explanation (to children) as to why he isn't married to or dating.
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 27, 2023 15:15:43 GMT
Yes, and judging by how well the kids seem to know him (they were all thrilled to know he was coming when Georg said so at the dinner table), there would have been plenty of opportunity for Max to make such a throwaway line to a question from the kids like "When are you going to get married?", to which his response could have been "Oh, I'm scared of women".
Seems to fit Max much better than Georg, whom I would say was definitely NOT afraid of women!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 6, 2023 19:41:25 GMT
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 16, 2023 23:35:31 GMT
Do you think that is the very moment when he realises it isn't a game anymore?
That she isn't just someone around the house to flirt with?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 18, 2023 19:33:26 GMT
Well, this brings up a (delicious) new topic entirely.
Does he think she's been flirting with him? The casual smiles, the adorable pleading for him to play guitar, the easy way they fall into dancing together..
Or does he know that she is too naive to know that these things would be considered flirting? Or did he just figure that out in this instant during the Laendler?
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Post by indigoblue on Oct 30, 2023 0:20:03 GMT
I can't believe so; Maria is so straight and honest and 'up front', I don't think she could be misconstrued as being flirty at the house.
Also, I think in his social circle, ladies would be adept at flirting the Elsa way, and Maria is completely different. In fact, this is probably her attraction for him.
Interesting that we can't really say the same for him, that he is straight and up front in the way he relates to her...quite the opposite, in that he is sarcastic and oblique in many of his comments (esp at the dinner table). Opposites attract...
Would you say he was flirting with her in the hall, or anywhere else?
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 31, 2023 13:58:04 GMT
annnnd what do we mean by flirting, anyway? Agree that Maria isn't intentionally doing anything, even her behavior could have the same effects as flirting. If flirting means intentionally trying to get someone interested in you "that way," is Georg really doing that? Again he might be drawn to her and try to engage her, but not with dishonorable intent, right?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 9, 2023 2:10:05 GMT
His intent was never dishonorable, and hers was never romantically charged. Still, they are so casual with one another. They are friends, allies, defenders, supporters. This doesn't make their actions actually flirtatious, but they are so comfortable with one another that their interactions could easily be viewed that way.
Back to the dance. Georg started this with the same casual closeness that we have seen from them since the puppet show. Smiles and fun all around. I am guessing that this is what Georg intended the whole dance to be like. That they'd move through the close spins still smirking, and end with a laugh as they completed the dance and applauded with everyone else. Just a bit a silly fun between close friends. But her sudden shyness triggers something in him, and then the close spins are not silly fun at all, but almost dangerous in intensity until she can't take it anymore and backs away. She started the mood change, but he didn't have to get swept away in it. He could have tried to keep it light, still smiling, not pulling her too close, trying to put her at ease, but it was like he couldn't help himself.
Do you think he could have pulled her back from her shift in mood if he had stayed light in his?
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 12, 2023 19:46:07 GMT
His intent was never dishonorable, and hers was never romantically charged. Still, they are so casual with one another. They are friends, allies, defenders, supporters. This doesn't make their actions actually flirtatious, but they are so comfortable with one another that their interactions could easily be viewed that way. Back to the dance. Georg started this with the same casual closeness that we have seen from them since the puppet show. Smiles and fun all around. I am guessing that this is what Georg intended the whole dance to be like. That they'd move through the close spins still smirking, and end with a laugh as they completed the dance and applauded with everyone else. Just a bit a silly fun between close friends. But her sudden shyness triggers something in him, and then the close spins are not silly fun at all, but almost dangerous in intensity until she can't take it anymore and backs away. She started the mood change, but he didn't have to get swept away in it. He could have tried to keep it light, still smiling, not pulling her too close, trying to put her at ease, but it was like he couldn't help himself. Do you think he could have pulled her back from her shift in mood if he had stayed light in his? Hmmm I think of him as almost always having such self-mastery that I want to say yes, he could have. But maybe the point of this scene is that it's his breaking point??
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 13, 2023 19:26:33 GMT
I think the thing which got him was that she couldn't hold his gaze. If she had done so and had had a laugh with him as they were dancing, then he could have kept up the pretence that it was a bit of a giggle, showing off to the kids How The Adults Do It.
But I think once she kept averting her eyes and blushing, it meant the walls within him came tumbling down, and the whole thing suddenly got serious. Maybe he was in denial at this stage that their looks together during Edelweiss were anything important, but once he could see her cheeks reddening, he realised that his fascination for her was reciprocated.
I also think on a subliminal level, that being quite so close to someone like that meant that her pheromones would be working Big Time on him; in the same way that when you open a bottle of heady perfume, it can quite knock you for six, I think he was knocked off his feet. And after that, all he could do was lean in for more...and the children faded far away...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 16, 2023 20:05:53 GMT
I need them to not cut to Elsa in this moment! I can't figure out what exactly happened between Georg's smile falling and the close spins! I think you're right, Indigo. When she looks down, everything changes (which is why I love this moment so much, and why I picked it as my avatar). I think he only had an instant between when he realized she was not smiling anymore and when she looked down. I suppose he could have bent down and tried to catch her eyes with a smile that let her know it was still just a dance for fun, but all of sudden, it wasn't just harmless fun for him either. Her shyness was a clear indication that this was now romantically charged, and the captain, never one to be shy, reciprocated with molten intensity. As augiesannie said, this was his breaking point too! Could she have pulled him back with a smile once the spins started, if she had regained control of herself and decided to pretend it was a game again? I'm thinking no. They both seem like they are in a trance. Though, they seemed like they were in a trace at the end of Edelweiss too, but Georg pulled them out of it with is adorable little self conscious shrug. Neither of them tries to bring the other back from the brink here though. Why? I like your pheromones idea, Indigo. That, along with how much closer they are physically as compared to the start of the dance, and how much more they are touching (both hands, whole torsos, etc.). It's all too intoxicating. Do you think he has special cologne on for the party?
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