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Post by augiesannie on Jul 15, 2013 0:44:58 GMT
1. Her momentary hesitation before taking his hand, and midway through the dance when he reaches back over his shoulder to her – as though she remembers, all of a sudden, that the next part will bring them very close together
2. His impish grins when he first decides to join them in the garden, during their first arm movements, and when he reaches back over his shoulder to her. I think those smirks are because he realizes she's holding her own, and he's impressed. Also love his tender smile at the end.
3. That, although high society is dancing in the ballroom, he is out in the garden with his family. It's an Austrian folk dance, after all, and it's a nice reminder of what he values most.
4. If you look closely, you might conclude that, as he's confessed in the past, CP isn’t really all that graceful – he really does have two left feet!
5. The sweet way the melody comes to an end.
6. OK, OK, the steamy glance between them.
What do YOU love most? These things or something else???
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Post by lemacd on Jul 17, 2013 2:51:04 GMT
i could watch him put those gloves on while he looks at her a thousand times and then another thousand after that... the look is just so delicious. it's like "yup, i made up my mind. I'm going to go get me that woman." i don't know how to explain this, but there is this sweeping turn... I added the pic, not the greatest, but... whatever. ![]() ![]()  the look on maria's face at the end... and his smile when she says she isn't used to dancing. which i think you mentioned already. |
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 23, 2013 23:20:58 GMT
There is something about the way he claps to her dancing when she goes solo: it's partly because he looks so darned sexy with his white gloves by his face, but there is also something fleeting in his look, almost as though he is not sure she will remember the steps on her own, but when he can see she is doing fine, he is glad he let her go, and moreover, is secretly proud of her.
I also love the way it starts off as a bit of fun, but watching their expressions, it gradually becomes deadly serious (with all its social implications).
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Post by indigoblue on Jul 25, 2013 23:18:03 GMT
There is another move that I just love, but I am not sure why! When Georg then rejoins Maria, he twirls round so he has his back to her, ready to lead off in front of her. As he turns he just corrects back so slightly, but deliberately, at the end of the turn, and with such style, that it gives me a shiver of pleasure: Mr P at work again -
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Post by Elaine on Aug 29, 2013 11:39:11 GMT
I hope nobody cuts my head off for saying that the part that really struck me here was the moment Elsa saw them. (Of course I loved the whole G and M dancing scene, and I swoon each and every time I watch it!) She came out to the garden with a smile and she gets the shock of her life seeing Georg and Maria dancing. Her first instinct was to leave (she steps back) then she decides to stay, as if something drew her to watch them. She couldn't take her eyes off the dancing couple. I think she knew at that moment, that Georg was a goner.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 29, 2013 18:18:15 GMT
you're so right... that reaction is quite fascinating. eleanor parker is such an underrated actress... i totally adore her, not only as the baroness, but in all her other movies. she always seems to have a gut wrenching emotional scene in them and ugh... so good. we talk about JA being the perfect maria and CP being the perfect captain, but EP, to me, was every bit the perfect elsa.
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Post by indigoblue on Aug 29, 2013 23:01:05 GMT
Elaine, you can join our Baroness Fan Club if you like (Membership 2, Me and Lemacd, I think. Or maybe not even Lemacd.) It does get bit lonely.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 29, 2013 23:54:15 GMT
I'm totally a member of BFC!!! In my heart i know she went on to find true love and happiness. And she while she will always love the captain, her new man is a very fine speciman and needs her desperately. not her money, her. is it max? some people think that is how it should be, but i don't. i adore max, too, but not sure he's as ready to change his ways.
there is a one shot cross over TSOM/Inglorious Bastards and it is simply fun if you're ever in the mood for something different. cant' remember what it is rated. i think you can follow it fine without ever seeing IB.
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 30, 2013 0:27:00 GMT
Elaine, first of all welcome! Second, the very thing I love about this group is that we don't always agree, but I love the movie so much it doesn't matter -- like recently, we all had different ideas of when Georg decides he loves Maria and wants to marry her, and I loved everyone's explanations of their different positions. Third, I also have tender feelings toward Elsa. I think we have to accept that she doesn't always act like a saint, but I think it's much more satisfying to think of her, like the rest of us -- an imperfect human being who, in the end, is capable of doing the right thing. It's just too easy to cast her as a stereotypical shrewish b*tch. And finally, I love your observation about Elsa in the Laendler, just like CP, some very nuanced, careful acting that really contributes to the scene.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 30, 2013 1:11:24 GMT
what?! you dare disagree with ME?! my evil genius personality must be losing some of it's power...
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Post by augiesannie on Aug 30, 2013 2:25:38 GMT
I can't even remember who believes what. Georg falls in love with her during the Laendler. Georg doesn't realize he loves her till he's standing on that balcony. It's all yummy and delicious.
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Post by lemacd on Aug 30, 2013 3:42:10 GMT
no, no, no... it's in the movie plain as day! when she sat on the ridiculous pine cone! (actually, i think all agree that was NOT when he fell in love with her)
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Sept 17, 2013 9:51:29 GMT
I love the way the kids aren't shown at all through the scene, so it's just them. Ahh, I could watch them dance this forever
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Post by lemacd on Sept 17, 2013 15:51:11 GMT
yes, it would have been a completely different moment if they had danced in the ballroom like everyone else. very different. and not in a good way. you are so right.
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Post by tranquillity on Sept 24, 2013 16:37:17 GMT
Would have Georg had enough courage/audacity to ask her for a dance in the ballroom, what do you think?
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Post by lemacd on Sept 24, 2013 17:29:53 GMT
very doubtful as i don't think she would have had the audacity to be IN the ballroom to be asked. although, if she hadn't run away and did come down for dinner like Max insisted, there is really no telling what could have happened. wow, what fun mind candy for today.
but no, i don't think he would have asked. there is something about the way he looks when he puts on this gloves before taking over for kurt that just seems spontaneous and tossing caution aside.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 24, 2013 22:52:16 GMT
Mmmmmm....
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Post by augiesannie on Sept 25, 2013 11:46:15 GMT
Mmmm indeed. Tranquillity, thank you for this great question! . Lemacd has a thing for those gloves, as I recall. And I mostly agree with her answer since I think Maria would have stayed out of the ballroom. I'm not sure how entirely spontaneous he is being, though. Even though the gloves part is, I wonder if in some way she hasn't been on his mind. Maybe he doesn't exactly go hunting her down for a dance, but he is distractedly wondering, in some corner of her mind, what she thinks of all of this, and of him, and if she is OK (he knows that she's been intimidated by the whole Baroness/party thing). Plus he is vaguely discontented from the moment Zeller arrives. So maybe, even if he ran into her in the ballroom instead of the terrace, he might have been tempted to ask her to dance, if only to get a reaction out of her and in a little act of flirtatious rebellion. I think she might have run in the other direction if that happened, I'm not sure they actually would have danced!
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Post by lemacd on Sept 25, 2013 18:59:02 GMT
it's not the gloves, specifically. it's that delectable look on his face as he puts them on, the one he gets watching her... it just screams. i'm going to go and dance and it's going to be awesome. i'm going to give that postulant something to run to confession about... and i don't give a flying fig if it's proper or even who sees it. even the children.
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Post by lemacd on Sept 25, 2013 19:01:15 GMT
points to augiesannie. if he asked her in the ballroom, she would have bolted and then we never would have had this dance.
and YET... she had an awful time refusing Max about coming to dinner. would she really be able to resist if the Captain insisted? hmmm.
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Post by augiesannie on Sept 25, 2013 19:15:23 GMT
Would he have had the guts to follow through and actually DANCE? Or too much risk of ruffling feathers and disrupting things - I think he'd have done something indirect, like, "what would you do if I asked you to dance with me?" And then, lucky for him, she probably would have bolted, although, then again, if she says, "I . . . I'd say yes," oh, my goodness. Love the idea.
(I knew it wasn't the gloves, I just wasn't clear. He has that really mischeveious look on his face. the same look he has later during the dance a couple of times, as noted in #2 above)
as for, "I'm going to give her something to confess," it is funny how something relatively innocent can feel wicked. I really like that idea, that certain interactions between them - a dance in public, a conversation, whatever - are so charged that they are wicked . . .
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 25, 2013 21:25:03 GMT
Being outside on the terrace with the kids also gave him an excuse to dance with her, to show them How It Was Done (which wouldn't have been valid in the ballroom); I think this is largely how it started (although I agree, he probably was feeling curious about what she thought of him as well).
Then, when he worked out she knew How It Was Done, he realised he had met his match, and she dashed off to the confessional.
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Post by augiesannie on Sept 25, 2013 21:33:37 GMT
I am grinning.
In the play, I think it is more clearly "I'm showing them how it's done." Great point.
It's a little more, um, provocative that it isn't played that way in the film. "Do allow me."
OK. You're allowed.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 27, 2013 8:53:03 GMT
He can allow me anytime.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 27, 2013 17:05:24 GMT
And I think I will allow him too, should he ever ask...
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Post by utility_singer on Oct 14, 2013 14:04:28 GMT
Gosh, ladies, I need a cold shower just remembering the scene and reading all these comments!
I think my favorite thing that hasn't yet been mentioned is when he reaches his hand over his shoulder and has a momentary "Will she take my hand?" question sweep over his face, just before the devastatingly sexy half-grin when she takes hold.
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Post by augiesannie on Oct 15, 2013 0:40:38 GMT
Oh Demaclean, that is one of my very favorite moments! I always thought it felt like he was thinking, "heh, heh, I wonder if my governess remembers what happens next in this dance, things are about to get interesting," and someone (indigo, maybe?) thought it was that he was impressed that she was keeping up with him (or maybe that was the earlier smirk when they are first crossing arms.)
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Post by lemacd on Nov 4, 2013 3:10:52 GMT
so what do we call the place where they danced the laendler? terrace? garden? hedgemaze? place with the statues?
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Post by utility_singer on Nov 4, 2013 3:16:31 GMT
Patio? I think of the larger area between the house and the pegasus landing as the terrace. Hmmm.
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Post by lemacd on Nov 4, 2013 3:23:08 GMT
oooh, patio. that would work. thanks
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