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Post by indigoblue on Nov 18, 2023 0:36:23 GMT
No. Just raw man. That's enough.
Or clearly it's more than enough for Maria.
Let's face it, if I were so close to Christopher Plummer, it'd be more than enough for me!
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Post by Chris&Byng on Nov 18, 2023 2:07:34 GMT
I have a handful of "wonders" I would like to share about this scene (because I love them to bits!). I wonder if the point where things REALLY started to change for Georg and Maria is well before the tight spin/blushing/etc. I would like to suggest it's here: i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/196/5-sound-music/full/sound-music-movie-screencaps.com-10496.jpg?ssl=1 Right before Maria grasps Georg's hand, it looks like she's about to have a litter of kittens! On his part, there is that the little 'a-ha' smile Georg has when he realizes he has her hand in his again: it's kind of smug and surprised and happy all at the same time (there's no screencap that does this point justice). I wonder if Maria's "litter of kittens" expression shows that she thinks this is where the dance ends ("surely, he's not going to continue???) and they would all laugh about their demonstration, but Georg continues on. I mean, if you're showing a group of kids how the Laendler works, the last things the kids will want to see is the slow and heated part of the dance! They like the fun and skipping and clapping parts, no? I wonder if Georg's smug little smile shows he thinking this is where Maria ends the dance and they all laugh about things (surely, she's not going to continue???), but Maria continues on and trusted him to follow and grab his hand once more. Then I wonder if there's this sudden realization that they would both follow each other anywhere, and the spin is just their descent into the things we love about this scene?
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 27, 2023 16:56:52 GMT
I need them to not cut to Elsa in this moment! I can't figure out what exactly happened between Georg's smile falling and the close spins! I think you're right, Indigo. When she looks down, everything changes (which is why I love this moment so much, and why I picked it as my avatar). I think he only had an instant between when he realized she was not smiling anymore and when she looked down. I suppose he could have bent down and tried to catch her eyes with a smile that let her know it was still just a dance for fun, but all of sudden, it wasn't just harmless fun for him either. Her shyness was a clear indication that this was now romantically charged, and the captain, never one to be shy, reciprocated with molten intensity. As augiesannie said, this was his breaking point too! Could she have pulled him back with a smile once the spins started, if she had regained control of herself and decided to pretend it was a game again? I'm thinking no. They both seem like they are in a trance. Though, they seemed like they were in a trace at the end of Edelweiss too, but Georg pulled them out of it with is adorable little self conscious shrug. Neither of them tries to bring the other back from the brink here though. Why? I like your pheromones idea, Indigo. That, along with how much closer they are physically as compared to the start of the dance, and how much more they are touching (both hands, whole torsos, etc.). It's all too intoxicating. Do you think he has special cologne on for the party? reverendcaptain see my comment elsewhere about Instagram, this one would be great too! It’s just brilliant!!!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 29, 2023 20:36:02 GMT
I need them to not cut to Elsa in this moment! I can't figure out what exactly happened between Georg's smile falling and the close spins! I think you're right, Indigo. When she looks down, everything changes (which is why I love this moment so much, and why I picked it as my avatar). I think he only had an instant between when he realized she was not smiling anymore and when she looked down. I suppose he could have bent down and tried to catch her eyes with a smile that let her know it was still just a dance for fun, but all of sudden, it wasn't just harmless fun for him either. Her shyness was a clear indication that this was now romantically charged, and the captain, never one to be shy, reciprocated with molten intensity. As augiesannie said, this was his breaking point too! Could she have pulled him back with a smile once the spins started, if she had regained control of herself and decided to pretend it was a game again? I'm thinking no. They both seem like they are in a trance. Though, they seemed like they were in a trace at the end of Edelweiss too, but Georg pulled them out of it with is adorable little self conscious shrug. Neither of them tries to bring the other back from the brink here though. Why? I like your pheromones idea, Indigo. That, along with how much closer they are physically as compared to the start of the dance, and how much more they are touching (both hands, whole torsos, etc.). It's all too intoxicating. Do you think he has special cologne on for the party? reverendcaptain see my comment elsewhere about Instagram, this one would be great too! It’s just brilliant!!! Go for it! Use any posts of mine that you want.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Nov 30, 2023 20:48:42 GMT
I have a handful of "wonders" I would like to share about this scene (because I love them to bits!). I wonder if the point where things REALLY started to change for Georg and Maria is well before the tight spin/blushing/etc. I would like to suggest it's here: i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/196/5-sound-music/full/sound-music-movie-screencaps.com-10496.jpg?ssl=1 Right before Maria grasps Georg's hand, it looks like she's about to have a litter of kittens! On his part, there is that the little 'a-ha' smile Georg has when he realizes he has her hand in his again: it's kind of smug and surprised and happy all at the same time (there's no screencap that does this point justice). I wonder if Maria's "litter of kittens" expression shows that she thinks this is where the dance ends ("surely, he's not going to continue???) and they would all laugh about their demonstration, but Georg continues on. I mean, if you're showing a group of kids how the Laendler works, the last things the kids will want to see is the slow and heated part of the dance! They like the fun and skipping and clapping parts, no? I wonder if Georg's smug little smile shows he thinking this is where Maria ends the dance and they all laugh about things (surely, she's not going to continue???), but Maria continues on and trusted him to follow and grab his hand once more. Then I wonder if there's this sudden realization that they would both follow each other anywhere, and the spin is just their descent into the things we love about this scene? LOVE this! Ok. The whole mood shifts for Maria as she is walking/dancing up from behind him ready to grab his hand over his shoulder. The "litter of kittens" part - hilarious. Every time we have seen them together, even when they seem so close (I really am very very much impressed, the guitar handoff before Edelweiss, etc.) they are still at arms length. She knows they are crossing that boundary physically during the next spin. This changes something within her and she is no longer able to act like it's all fun and games. Georg, on the other hand, has that little smirk as he grasps her hand over his shoulder, and is still smiling as her turns her around. Then, his smile falls as he sees her expression. Her back is to us though, so we don't know if she still has the "litter of kittens" face or if she's already heading into not being able to look him in the eye. Regardless, her change of mood is what triggers his, in my opinion. As I said in an earlier post, he pulled them out of their mutual admiration trance at the end of Edelweiss with his little shrug and smile. Maybe he could have pulled them back from the edge here too if he would have made a little laugh letting her know he wasn't taking this too seriously. But he knows they are moving past being at arms length too, and instead of being shy, he loves it. His eyes are glued to her. His focus on to her is almost scary in its intensity. I think they both thought the dance would continue until the end, but that they would make an effort to not make the close spins any closer than necessary, maybe even to the point that they would break out laughing trying to keep themselves apart when the dance required that they be together. This was just to show the children a traditional dance, after all. What about the kiss at the end?? Being a gentleman, yet still completing the dance, maybe he would have stepped back and kissed her hand? Then they could really bust out laughing having made it all the way through. Though, I don't know if either of them had thought that far ahead. It was one second at a time for both of them. And the dam just burst with the close spins, and neither could sensor their reactions.
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 30, 2023 23:22:42 GMT
Scrummy stuff.
Agree with all of this, and the dance that was becoming more intimate in style drawing them closer until they were wrapped up in each other. Then comes the traditional kiss, which they instinctively want to do, but the kids are watching, so they can't...
So they end up in suspended animation, so close.., so close... and it is all rather serious, because they know there is no going back now.
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Post by Chris&Byng on Dec 2, 2023 1:07:49 GMT
reverendcaptain so it's really like Georg is leading and she's following...in a lot of other places (queue the lead/follow discussion elsewhere)... he's pleasantly surprised she is still with him, and then light and fluffy Maria is looking pretty solemn and can't look him in the eye...like you said, he KNOWS there's something there now where he maybe only was suspicious before.
This is a good post to chew on...i have to go back and watch...
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Post by augiesannie on Dec 11, 2023 19:41:34 GMT
What an unbelievably amazing discussion! Here is his face changed by what he has seen on Maria’s: link
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 4, 2024 22:41:10 GMT
So, why didn't he back off when he saw that she was suddenly so shy? Not only did he not try to playfully turn her mood back around, but he became as much if not more intense than she was. Is he trying to get her to look him in the eye so he can confirm his suspicions? Or can he just not help himself?
Would he have reacted the same way if her mood didn't change and she was still all smiles during the close spins, or would his mood have remained light too?
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 16, 2024 15:24:30 GMT
I bet he’d have stayed light hearted. Her change unlocks something for him???
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 20, 2024 1:30:04 GMT
I agree. The whole thing could have ended in laughter with the children applauding, having enjoyed the fun along with them. Her change is the catalyst for his change. “Unlocks” is a great word for it augiesannie. That implies that his feelings have been in there, but haven’t found a way out yet.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 24, 2024 1:13:49 GMT
There is something amazing that happens sometimes when you dance with someone where it just feels so right; there's no friction and it all just evolves so freely. It's a very unifying thing.
Maybe that 'primeval thing' about dancing with someone has happened with them?
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Post by thoughts-of-joy-dreams-of-love on Jan 24, 2024 23:16:33 GMT
There is something amazing that happens sometimes when you dance with someone where it just feels so right; there's no friction and it all just evolves so freely. It's a very unifying thing. Maybe that 'primeval thing' about dancing with someone has happened with them? I agree with you on this! There's a reason so many romance movies have a dance serve as a turning point in the story. Off the top of my head I can think of Beauty and the Beast, West Side Story, Cinderella, Singin' In The Rain, basically every teen movie with a prom scene... I think it's because dancing isn't an inherently romantic activity, so two people can start dancing then be taken by surprise when it becomes tense. And it's easy for it to become tense if there are already buried feelings there, because it is an intimate activity -- there's physical proximity; you have to pay close attention to the other person to get the choreography right so you can't just disengage, etc. etc. And considering how Maria and Georg both connect emotionally to music, it's no surprise to me that a dance was what made them start to realize things weren't platonic anymore
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 25, 2024 19:49:42 GMT
There is something amazing that happens sometimes when you dance with someone where it just feels so right; there's no friction and it all just evolves so freely. It's a very unifying thing. Maybe that 'primeval thing' about dancing with someone has happened with them? I agree with you on this! There's a reason so many romance movies have a dance serve as a turning point in the story. Off the top of my head I can think of Beauty and the Beast, West Side Story, Cinderella, Singin' In The Rain, basically every teen movie with a prom scene... I think it's because dancing isn't an inherently romantic activity, so two people can start dancing then be taken by surprise when it becomes tense. And it's easy for it to become tense if there are already buried feelings there, because it is an intimate activity -- there's physical proximity; you have to pay close attention to the other person to get the choreography right so you can't just disengage, etc. etc. And considering how Maria and Georg both connect emotionally to music, it's no surprise to me that a dance was what made them start to realize things weren't platonic anymore Good point! Dance number are often a turning point in on-scene romance. It definitely had to be something musical with these two. Every song has produced high emotional response from them. Here they get to add in touch along with the music. Even just touching hands at first had to be overwhelming. Then touching torsos while moving in time with one another and...it's no wonder the dam burst here.
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