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Post by Chris&Byng on Feb 7, 2024 1:35:44 GMT
The moment I was thinking about (although the one you have selected is equally delicious!) is this one:
The way the lighting is set up, you can actually see Maria's eyes get larger, because near the end (link above), they are catching the light but she hasn't moved her head at all.
Georg: ". ..well, yyyyou can't... marry someone when you're..... in love with someone else......can you?" (the pauses and wee bit of stuttering just do me in every time I hear them )
Maria: deer in the headlight eyes (insert Godly expletive haha, shakes head to indicate "no, no you can't...wait...does that mean me?...no...really? wait, wut?") You are so right, can you imagine the hurricane of thoughts and emotions that must be going on in her head in the span of 21 seconds (yes, I counted haha) from the time she tells Georg "she is sorry" he has ended his engagement until the moment that he says he's in love with someone else and she starts to figure it out.
Do we think/wonder that when Georg tells Maria that there "isn't going to be any Baroness" and they have called off their engagement that maybe he expected to get into a conversation with Maria and the "reason [that] no longer exists" - I suppose that is a question for another post.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 8, 2024 0:45:31 GMT
I think in these screencaps she is still unsure what he means, because she has Elsa's words ringing in her ears, that she is just a bit of frippery for him. So the moment of truth for her is when their lips meet...
But I'd like to rewind a few moments to consider that bit where he gets up and walks straight into the gazebo, assuming she will follow. What if she hadn't?! It's an amazing piece of stage direction (and it works beautifully, as she does follow), but as we mentioned somewhere before, it's so like that bit of the Laendler where she places her hand over his left shoulder and he takes it, with a corresponding lightening of his expression. I can almost see her doing the same thing here!
He must be very confident that she'll follow, or else he would be marooned in the gazebo on his own...
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Post by Chris&Byng on Feb 8, 2024 15:46:15 GMT
I wonder if Georg is counting on the fact that Maria is nosey. I mean, she busted into his ballroom within minutes of arriving at the villa.
I also love how he gets up, tells her the facts and then just keeps on walking... you know, just like it's another ordinary day when you call off your engagement. I think he avoided touching or confronting her on purpose because he knows he is on thin ice with her based on their interactions by the stone bench. I love the parallel universe you have identified here with the trust they put in each other with the Laendler and this rather emotionally charged moment.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 9, 2024 15:11:19 GMT
I think it was reverendcaptain who spotted this genius notion about the Laendler look-alike situation. I can only think that he is rather rattled when she shows her first touch of bitterness when she says "the Baroness will make things FINE for you..." He is probably too nervous to approach her in any way in case he has completely misread how she feels, and realises that his only chance is to come clean with her about the engagement ending. Maybe too he can sort of test her by walking into the gazebo and seeing if she follows...if she doesn't then he knows she isn't that keen on him, and/or maybe doesn't trust him. If she does, well...looks more promising... So those little sideways glances he makes to his left after he has passed her must have brought him releif, because he can see she is right behind him. 'Fraid I can't resist posting a link to our swoony pair here... movie-screencaps.com/the-sound-of-music-1965//page/84#foobox-1/104/sound-music-movie-screencaps.com-15045.jpg?ssl=1
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 9, 2024 20:32:45 GMT
I agree Chris&Byng, he doesn't want to crowd her. When she sits down after she stands to greet him, she sits at the farthest edge of the bench, which is not where she was sitting when he showed up. I'm sure he noticed that she is keeping her distance from him. He doesn't want to make her feel trapped, so he gives her space on the bench, walks next to her into the gazebo, and stands sideways to her once they are inside. She always has the choice to back away if she wants to. Though, she is the one who stops with her back to the wall inside the gazebo. She could have walked them into the center so she still had space, but maybe hearing that he called off the engagement ended her need to have a safe distance from him? Instead, she is standing with her hands behind her back while he walks up close enough to touch her, which shows that she instinctively trusts him, even though he broke her heart. What if she hadn't followed him into the gazebo? What a good question indigoblue. He knows she runs when she's spooked. She could have made a quick excuse and beelined for the house once he wasn't in her path. He wasn't exactly making it an easy conversation for her. I think she was too curious about why there wasn't going to be a baroness to leave the conversation at that point though. This was her first ray of hope that she wasn't making a total fool of herself since she heard about the engagement. Plus, it was the first point in the conversation that he wasn't asking her an uncomfortable question. He was the one being vulnerable here, so she had to (cautiously) follow.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 10, 2024 1:33:21 GMT
The moment I was thinking about (although the one you have selected is equally delicious!) is this one:
The way the lighting is set up, you can actually see Maria's eyes get larger, because near the end (link above), they are catching the light but she hasn't moved her head at all.
Georg: ". ..well, yyyyou can't... marry someone when you're..... in love with someone else......can you?" (the pauses and wee bit of stuttering just do me in every time I hear them )
Maria: deer in the headlight eyes (insert Godly expletive haha, shakes head to indicate "no, no you can't...wait...does that mean me?...no...really? wait, wut?") You are so right, can you imagine the hurricane of thoughts and emotions that must be going on in her head in the span of 21 seconds (yes, I counted haha) from the time she tells Georg "she is sorry" he has ended his engagement until the moment that he says he's in love with someone else and she starts to figure it out.
Do we think/wonder that when Georg tells Maria that there "isn't going to be any Baroness" and they have called off their engagement that maybe he expected to get into a conversation with Maria and the "reason [that] no longer exists" - I suppose that is a question for another post.
As for your last paragraph (I can’t figure out how to trim down the quote on my phone), it kind of seems like he wants her to be the first to break down and admit to having romantic feelings because he keeps asking leading questions. Why’d you run away? Why’d you come back? You only missed the children and not me? Would you change your mind and stay? She’s having no part of that though. She already feels way too vulnerable. Even after he tells her there isn’t going to be any baroness, there is no way she’s going to admit that her feeling for him impacted anything. He has to be the first to admit his love.
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Post by augiesannie on Feb 22, 2024 19:22:25 GMT
OMIGOSH thanks to all of you for such a delicious conversation. reverendcaptain Chris&Byng indigoblue ESPECIALLY happy to be reminded of the parallels between how Georg steps out in the Laendler and into the gazebo. Of course after reading this thread, I had to go back and watch several more times. In that whole delicate dance of his keeping his distance but needing to jolt her out of her despair, of being confident and nervous at the same time - I noticed that he also does one of his nervous finger wiggles before he catches up with her.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 24, 2024 0:02:45 GMT
It's just so effective at transmitting his inner anxiety to us in a wordless way - it is something we take on board almost in a subliminal way.
I can't see Keith Michel finger-wiggling!
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 6, 2024 1:22:01 GMT
I JUST CHOPPED A QUOTE HAHA sorry As for your last paragraph (I can’t figure out how to trim down the quote on my phone), it kind of seems like he wants her to be the first to break down and admit to having romantic feelings because he keeps asking leading questions. Why’d you run away? Why’d you come back? You only missed the children and not me? Would you change your mind and stay? She’s having no part of that though. She already feels way too vulnerable. Even after he tells her there isn’t going to be any baroness, there is no way she’s going to admit that her feeling for him impacted anything. He has to be the first to admit his love. You have to wonder/ponder, too - Georg is a smart cookie. Don't you think he's already figured out what Maria meant by "anyway, the reason no longer exists"? Hence the interrogation by the gazebo...Speaking of interrogation, I think it's a great transition from his questioning of the children and how he interacted with them compared how he's so much softer when he questions Maria.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 11, 2024 19:23:17 GMT
You have to wonder/ponder, too - Georg is a smart cookie. Don't you think he's already figured out what Maria meant by "anyway, the reason no longer exists"? Hence the interrogation by the gazebo...Speaking of interrogation, I think it's a great transition from his questioning of the children and how he interacted with them compared how he's so much softer when he questions Maria. In general, his voice is soft with her post-Apology, especially so in the gazebo though. He has to know why she came back, but also that she is dangerously close to being scared away again. Slow movements, plenty of personal space, and a gentle voice are all necessary to regaining her trust. I have never compared the two interrogations before. With the children, he is confidently pacing back and forth waiting for one of them to crack. That would have sent Maria running from the gazebo in a heartbeat! haha.
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 12, 2024 0:52:40 GMT
And I can't help adding that point about him not making eye contact with her from when she left the bench at the gazebo, to when he said "...can you?"
I felt that had several reasons/aims, one of which was to avoid scaring her off again (he was so direct when he interrogated her and looked her in the eye that she took off). So he avoids eye contact after that to be gentler. It also helped him screw up courage to declare his interest in her.
In the meantime, while he does that, she doesn't take her eyes off him - she's even wide-eyed!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 13, 2024 18:54:30 GMT
I think her eyes are glued to him because she is desperate to hear why there isn't going to be any baroness. She needs a sign that she didn't imagine the depth of feeling between herself and the captain.
Georg is giving her space so as to not scare her. Also, he has to feel a little awkward about his dissolved engagement to Elsa and how to tactfully explain this. Difficult conversations are often easier if not looking directly at someone. Plus, he needs to figure out how to best tell Maria that he loves her. He has a lot to figure out in those few short steps.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 13, 2024 19:05:13 GMT
What do you think about the quick double take Maria does just before she says "I'm sure the baroness will be able to make things fine for you"? She looks down first but then glances back at him before getting up and turning her back to him. Was she considering saying this line to his face and then couldn't do it? Was it just a look of exasperation that he would ask her to stay when she already said she was leaving?
Does she suspect that Georg knows that she loves him? If so, she has to think it is a pretty heartless request to ask her to stay and work in his house when he is engaged to another.
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 13, 2024 23:54:40 GMT
I had to go and watch this part again...he's asking her if she might change her mind. It's almost as though when she looks at him for that instant she realizes why she can't possibly stay. She can barely look at him now.
I think Georg knows she loves him, but isn't sure if he can win her over. He has to be very delicate because she is in a state. I suspect when Maria initially returned and he asked her why she left in the first place, the "reason no longer exists" line will tell him everything he knows. Oh, plus poor Maria's expression when Louisa told her about the engagement, one would presume he saw this. I always admired Maria's "fed up" face that she gives Georg before she runs up the stairs after Elsa has arrived - she looks him in the eyes momentarily before fleeing. Kind of like a "how could you settle for this? or a I guess you have told me everything I need to know and the Baroness was right".
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 14, 2024 23:32:05 GMT
That is so smart, reverendcaptain, to compare the two interrogations. I think what’s going on with that double take is that, a few moments before, when he says for the first time, “Perhaps you might,” there is a little glimmer of hope in her eyes as she leans toward him and says, “Yes?” So when he finishes his little speech with the suggestion that she might “change your mind,” her face falls because she might have hoped for something more direct, while this might just mean, “change your mind and stay on as governess.” Then, inspired to fire back, she lifts her head and replies with her Baroness burn. Make sense? (I had to watch it too! Slomo!)
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 18, 2024 18:45:23 GMT
That is so smart, reverendcaptain , to compare the two interrogations. I think what’s going on with that double take is that, a few moments before, when he says for the first time, “Perhaps you might,” there is a little glimmer of hope in her eyes as she leans toward him and says, “Yes?” So when he finishes his little speech with the suggestion that she might “change your mind,” her face falls because she might have hoped for something more direct, while this might just mean, “change your mind and stay on as governess.” Then, inspired to fire back, she lifts her head and replies with her Baroness burn. Make sense? (I had to watch it too! Slomo!) Comparing the interrogations was all Chris&Byng's idea. I was just throwing my 2 cents in. It is an interesting thing to ponder though. You are right about the double take. It is hard to analyze one line without looking at the whole conversation. Her "yes?" after "I was only hoping that perhaps you might.." was her hoping he was going to say "I was only hoping that perhaps you might..have missed me too because I'm in love with you and missed you terribly while you were away." But, it wasn't that easy. He's asking her to stay but she doesn't know what that even means exactly. Stay as the governess until September? Stay as something more forever? Did she bring up the baroness because she knew this would force Georg to explain his relationship with Elsa, and this would then help Maria piece the puzzle together on where she stood in this household? Or was it just an impulsive jab because she was so hurt?
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 19, 2024 0:37:39 GMT
That last point occurred to me too, that they are having a 'superficial conversation' and a 'real conversation' underneath...
If they both (in their heart of hearts) know that they are in love, then perhaps he is asking (by "change your mind...") 'will you consider staying (with me)?'
And she responds (by saying "the Baroness will make things FINE for you") as meaning 'but what about your 'official wife?' Will you leave her for me?'
But then I guess we'll never know...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 21, 2024 19:14:26 GMT
That last point occurred to me too, that they are having a 'superficial conversation' and a 'real conversation' underneath... If they both (in their heart of hearts) know that they are in love, then perhaps he is asking (by "change your mind...") 'will you consider staying (with me)?' And she responds (by saying "the Baroness will make things FINE for you") as meaning 'but what about your 'official wife?' Will you leave her for me?' But then I guess we'll never know... Love this! I have always thought this was a very surface conversation too, with neither wanting to be the first to make it more serious. You are right though, they are actually saying quite serious things beneath a superficial facade. Someone needs to write out the dialogue for the whole scene with what was said and then what each line was actually implying. Anyone?
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 27, 2024 23:36:38 GMT
reverendcaptain this is a great idea! It would be fun to see different views on the same thing, as well!
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