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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 12, 2022 0:43:39 GMT
I kind of like it, only because it shows Maria's insecurity. As if, even after Georg has told her that he broke up with Elsa, she still can't quite believe that he did so because he is in love with her. After how confused and hurt she has felt for weeks, it isn't that far of a stretch to think that she might react this way, so as to not make assumptions and get hurt again.
I wonder if this is one of the (many) places that CP worked his magic on the script to make it more direct, and ultimately, better.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 12, 2022 22:12:47 GMT
I think so, he's a fairly direct sort of guy.
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 15, 2022 0:05:24 GMT
I've been reading this thread for almost 1 hour and to each post I say to myself: "I'm going to quote this! how right you are! it's exactly what I feel!" Then I move on to the next post and again I think it is sublime. In the end, I have decided not to quote anything and simply say that this analysis is magnificent. All of this thread (including the downhill talking about CP's chest hair) is the best onboarding for a newcomer to this forum. Amen to everything! I KNOW! I find myself agreeing with EVERYONE missisa!
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 15, 2022 0:07:48 GMT
I kind of like it, only because it shows Maria's insecurity. As if, even after Georg has told her that he broke up with Elsa, she still can't quite believe that he did so because he is in love with her. After how confused and hurt she has felt for weeks, it isn't that far of a stretch to think that she might react this way, so as to not make assumptions and get hurt again. I wonder if this is one of the (many) places that CP worked his magic on the script to make it more direct, and ultimately, better. The way the movie did it is more memorable, but, like reverendcaptain, I do kind of like the idea of Maria being a little clueless or uncertain, like it would almost be presumptuous to think he is talking about her.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 27, 2022 22:43:21 GMT
So, what are everyone's thoughts on the...Im not even sure how to describe it....the burst of music that happens right after "You can't marry someone, when you're in love with someone else. Can you?" Do you love it? Find it distracting? Not even notice it?
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 29, 2022 0:40:18 GMT
I hardly noticed it until recently, and I think it is because it so closely emulates what must have been Maria's feelings (and mine!) responding to the Captains's words. It's only since we had a thread going on the music in the gazebo scene that I really listened out for it, but I still like it.
Put it another way, if you take it out, the thrill of what is happening is not so...thrilling!
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 29, 2022 13:02:44 GMT
The music so beautifully underscores the feelings playing out in the scene. I know I’ve posted this before but it is so wonderful. Begins on the balcony. My favorite part is 7:15 Click link here
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Post by missisa on Jan 30, 2022 21:11:28 GMT
The music so beautifully underscores the feelings playing out in the scene. I know I’ve posted this before but it is so wonderful. Begins on the balcony. My favorite part is 7:15 Click link hereOoohhh this is so beautiful! indeed not only the songs but the entire soundtrack, with the score that accompanies each scene is simply a lovely masterpiece.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 30, 2022 23:32:07 GMT
Dreamy. I could hear their voices at each stage! Thanks for posting!
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Post by Silver-White-Winters on Feb 1, 2022 17:04:19 GMT
So, what are everyone's thoughts on the...Im not even sure how to describe it....the burst of music that happens right after "You can't marry someone, when you're in love with someone else. Can you?" Do you love it? Find it distracting? Not even notice it? I honestly haven't noticed it. Perhaps I should go back and watch it. I don't think it would be distracting though.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 10, 2022 19:54:41 GMT
So what is Georg thinking about when Maria asks if there was something he wanted? He is looking down, clearly lost in his own thoughts, and then snaps his head up and answers with "Hmm? No, no no no. Si-sit down please." It is kind of adorable really, that he seeks her out, and then is daydreaming and at a loss for words after he is the one who starts the conversation.
Was he contemplating what to even say to her? Was he mentally reviewing what just happened with Elsa? Was he panicking because he is used to having a plan and knows he doesn't have one for this conversation?
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Post by ANeedlePullingThread on Feb 12, 2022 15:51:41 GMT
So what is Georg thinking about when Maria asks if there was something he wanted? He is looking down, clearly lost in his own thoughts, and then snaps his head up and answers with "Hmm? No, no no no. Si-sit down please." It is kind of adorable really, that he seeks her out, and then is daydreaming and at a loss for words after he is the one who starts the conversation. Was he contemplating what to even say to her? Was he mentally reviewing what just happened with Elsa? Was he panicking because he is used to having a plan and knows he doesn't have one for this conversation? I imagine he’s probably thinking “Don’t mess this up, this is your chance”. He sits down, claps his hands and gives her a slight smile, to which she lowers her head and looks sullen, it takes the wind out of him for a second. I think he knows this is the moment but just hits that boyish feeling of panic. He must know she’s heartbroken. Her emotions are so very different from the rest of the movie. She only has that sullen look one other time, when he dismisses her after the argument. Only he knows he’s no longer engaged, and has to win back her trust and love. He’s so befuddled. “And I missed the children” “Yes, uh only the children?” Then when she says “isn’t it right I should have missed them?” I’m sure he wanted to say “I was only hoping perhaps you missed me too” but cuts it off.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 12, 2022 18:04:50 GMT
Yes, I think he is a guy who has thrived on order and being in control all his life, and now, at this vital moment, he doesn't truly know what she is feeling, and worse, doesn't know what to say. He also knows he probably only has one chance to get it right - say the wrong thing and he might scare her away.
It's easy to forget that he really has no way of knowing what her intentions are at this point: for all he knows, she may genuinely not be interested in him, and he might therefore put himself in an embarrassing situation if he declares his affection for her (and sends her away). I think that is why he takes so long to tell Maria that his engagement has been broken off, but then that is exactly the reason Maria keeps him at arm's length for so long.
I think also a thought that is going through his head when he approaches and she asks what he wants, is that he might be messing up her religious career (encouraging her to enter into a love affair), and maybe this is when he falters for a moment...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 15, 2022 22:56:44 GMT
So what is Georg thinking about when Maria asks if there was something he wanted? He is looking down, clearly lost in his own thoughts, and then snaps his head up and answers with "Hmm? No, no no no. Si-sit down please." It is kind of adorable really, that he seeks her out, and then is daydreaming and at a loss for words after he is the one who starts the conversation. Was he contemplating what to even say to her? Was he mentally reviewing what just happened with Elsa? Was he panicking because he is used to having a plan and knows he doesn't have one for this conversation? I imagine he’s probably thinking “Don’t mess this up, this is your chance”. He sits down, claps his hands and gives her a slight smile, to which she lowers her head and looks sullen, it takes the wind out of him for a second. I think he knows this is the moment but just hits that boyish feeling of panic. He must know she’s heartbroken. Her emotions are so very different from the rest of the movie. She only has that sullen look one other time, when he dismisses her after the argument. Only he knows he’s no longer engaged, and has to win back her trust and love. He’s so befuddled. “And I missed the children” “Yes, uh only the children?” Then when she says “isn’t it right I should have missed them?” I’m sure he wanted to say “I was only hoping perhaps you missed me too” but cuts it off. I am so glad that you brought up the "only the children" part of the conversation. He absolutely wanted to ask if she missed him too, but falters. The "oh, yes, yes of course!" is very loud and confident. Then the "I was only hoping that perhaps you....perhaps you might...." is suddenly so shy. It's endearing. Though, what would her reaction have been if he had actually finished his thought and asked if she had missed him? She would have had to play her cards really carefully. It would be rude to say no, but if she said yes, it couldn't be too enthusiastically since he is just her employer (and engaged). I wonder what she would have said. What do you think? It would have been awkward for both of them. He was wise to just say things were different when you were gone and we are hoping you will change your mind and stay. He could easily frame this as though he was just asking for the children's sake if he got the vibe that she didn't have feelings for him. But then she brings up Elsa and the walls come down. It's a chess match. Though, a really different one than The Argument.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 15, 2022 23:05:12 GMT
Yes, I think he is a guy who has thrived on order and being in control all his life, and now, at this vital moment, he doesn't truly know what she is feeling, and worse, doesn't know what to say. He also knows he probably only has one chance to get it right - say the wrong thing and he might scare her away. It's easy to forget that he really has no way of knowing what her intentions are at this point: for all he knows, she may genuinely not be interested in him, and he might therefore put himself in an embarrassing situation if he declares his affection for her (and sends her away). I think that is why he takes so long to tell Maria that his engagement has been broken off, but then that is exactly the reason Maria keeps him at arm's length for so long. I think also a thought that is going through his head when he approaches and she asks what he wants, is that he might be messing up her religious career (encouraging her to enter into a love affair), and maybe this is when he falters for a moment... Do you think in some ways he feels like he is not good enough for her? It is easy to see why some high society people could think that she was not good enough for him. She's a common mountain girl from a poor family and he's a rich decorated war hero. But is there some part of him that feels like in asking for her hand that he is taking this free spirit away from wherever the world would take her and saddling her with 7 kids? Or as you said, taking her from her dream of being a nun? I wonder how much this plays into his hesitation, or if it is all just not really knowing if she came back for him, or even if she did, if she still wants him after she found out that he loved someone else enough to ask her to marry him while she was gone. It's very complicated!
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Post by missisa on Feb 16, 2022 21:20:08 GMT
I imagine he’s probably thinking “Don’t mess this up, this is your chance”. He sits down, claps his hands and gives her a slight smile, to which she lowers her head and looks sullen, it takes the wind out of him for a second. I think he knows this is the moment but just hits that boyish feeling of panic. He must know she’s heartbroken. Her emotions are so very different from the rest of the movie. She only has that sullen look one other time, when he dismisses her after the argument. Only he knows he’s no longer engaged, and has to win back her trust and love. He’s so befuddled. “And I missed the children” “Yes, uh only the children?” Then when she says “isn’t it right I should have missed them?” I’m sure he wanted to say “I was only hoping perhaps you missed me too” but cuts it off. I am so glad that you brought up the "only the children" part of the conversation. He absolutely wanted to ask if she missed him too, but falters. The "oh, yes, yes of course!" is very loud and confident. Then the "I was only hoping that perhaps you....perhaps you might...." is suddenly so shy. It's endearing. Though, what would her reaction have been if he had actually finished his thought and asked if she had missed him? She would have had to play her cards really carefully. It would be rude to say no, but if she said yes, it couldn't be too enthusiastically since he is just her employer (and engaged). I wonder what she would have said. What do you think? It would have been awkward for both of them. He was wise to just say things were different when you were gone and we are hoping you will change your mind and stay. He could easily frame this as though he was just asking for the children's sake if he got the vibe that she didn't have feelings for him. But then she brings up Elsa and the walls come down. It's a chess match. Though, a really different one than The Argument. I love reverendcaptain 's analysis and the reference to the chess game between the two of them. It just made my day. I don't think he doubts whether or not he is good enough for her (because he loves her and he no longer doubts that) but rather, he is tormented by the idea of being wrong about what she feels and wants. "Has she come back for me, or her running away and her return has nothing to do with with me?"
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Post by augiesannie on Feb 20, 2022 1:57:15 GMT
I love this whole exchange. I also have always thought that among Georg’s many reasons to be so hesitant, is that she has told him her return is only temporary (and she’s come from the Abbey) so maybe he really thinks she isn’t done with the whole Abbey thing. I also like the idea that he might be feeling sheepish about having gotten himself engaged to Elsa.
Another thing I really like about this scene is that even though we know Maria was hurting inside, she is still able to summon pride and a little bit of anger “I’m sure the baroness will make things FINE for you.”
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 20, 2022 19:46:01 GMT
Yes, that self-assurance and ability to stand up for herself is pleasing: it's easy to forget that this film was made in the 1960s, when things weren't always that simple, let alone in the 1930s, when it was set.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 24, 2022 20:35:39 GMT
Maria's "I think I have" line bothers me a little. Here's the dialogue (though I'm sure most of you can recite it in your heads). She has just fallen into his arms after the kiss.
M: RM always says, when the Lord closes a door, somewhere He opens a window. G: What else does the RM say? M: That you have to look for your life. G: Is that why you came back? And have you found it Maria? M: I think I have. I know I have.
I always feel like her falling into his arms was her answer to this question. Even the kiss (though lovely!) is still hesitant. He is waiting for her to come to him before he goes any farther (in terms of giving her more affection or continuing to talk about love with her). And she does. This seals the deal in my mind that he loves her and she loves him. So, I wanted her to have a more direct answer, such as simply "Yes." I know, I know, this is all so new and she has been hurt by him before, and there is some loveliness in her briefly searching his eyes before changing to "I know I have." Still, it bothers me a little whenever I watch this scene.
Anyone else have an opinion on this line?
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Post by missisa on Feb 24, 2022 21:03:57 GMT
I totally feel the same reverendcaptain and I can't wait to see what others think. Normally I attribute it to that doubt of everyone in love to be reciprocated but, immediately, she corrects the phrase ("I know..."), perhaps very quickly adopting that role of "comforting wife". He is looking at her eyes and is about to say (what a line!) "I love you". But she is still hallucinating and a few seconds ago she was just suffering out of spite. That little hesitant gesture, in my opinion, perfectly reflects a mixture of "fear" of the unknown, "desire" of what is longed for and "denial" that is for real.
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Post by MeltIntoSpring on Feb 26, 2022 15:42:16 GMT
Maria's "I think I have" line bothers me a little. Here's the dialogue (though I'm sure most of you can recite it in your heads). She has just fallen into his arms after the kiss. M: RM always says, when the Lord closes a door, somewhere He opens a window. G: What else does the RM say? M: That you have to look for your life. G: Is that why you came back? And have you found it Maria? M: I think I have. I know I have. I always feel like her falling into his arms was her answer to this question. Even the kiss (though lovely!) is still hesitant. He is waiting for her to come to him before he goes any farther (in terms of giving her more affection or continuing to talk about love with her). And she does. This seals the deal in my mind that he loves her and she loves him. So, I wanted her to have a more direct answer, such as simply "Yes." I know, I know, this is all so new and she has been hurt by him before, and there is some loveliness in her briefly searching his eyes before changing to "I know I have." Still, it bothers me a little whenever I watch this scene. Anyone else have an opinion on this line? I have thought about that line too but to me, her life has just done a complete 180 degree turn in a matter of minutes. I can see why she's still a little bewildered which is probably why she corrected herself with the "I know I have" line. Speaking of the kiss though, I watched the movie (again) a couple of nights ago to help with the chapter I'm writing and I turned the brightness all the way up on my TV - as I always do - and I noticed that Maria doesn't immediately kiss him back, it takes her a couple of seconds to process what's actually happening, which may be the reason why she's a little bit flustered. I mean, wouldn't you be too if CP kissed you like that?
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 27, 2022 0:10:31 GMT
Yes! Only not just a little bit - totally gobsmacked!
Also, she has to process very quickly whether the Abbey is going to feature any more in her life...like a few seconds...
I also think, if I were in her boots, I would be totally stunned if Capt von Trapp kissed me, after all that pussy-footing around with his fiancee and all.
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Post by missisa on Feb 27, 2022 19:49:50 GMT
If I were kissed by the Captain I think there would be 2 options: die on the spot or something too explicit to write in here. That's why I understand that tiny little babble of Maria and I admire how she maintains the composure 😂
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 8, 2022 0:13:07 GMT
I am laughing so hard right now, but mostly I agree that she is still processing what her life is about to become - remember that until a minute or two earlier she thought Georg was marrying Elsa, and she probably had no idea what was next for her.
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 28, 2022 22:39:50 GMT
So imagine you are Maria in the gazebo with Georg, and whilst you have the most enormous crush on him, perhaps there remains just some doubt in your mind about whether he is just too big a fish for you (how would you fit into the life he leads, maybe the Abbey isn't too bad a place after all, etc). So then he turns to you and says "You can't marry someone when you are... in love with someone else", what would you say?
What would you do?!
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Post by bluestrawberries on Apr 6, 2022 2:46:03 GMT
gosh I might personally just faint. or be frozen for a good like 20 minutes with the wifi buffer signal going on in my head HAHA going like "omg what is he saying??? dude is this for real??? hlkjadsjf???"
Maria is a stronger woman than I am, that's for sure!
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 6, 2022 22:30:06 GMT
Haha! Me too!
But would you just go for it and see what the consequences were, or would you say, "Hold it, things are getting a little rushed here! Let's take things a tad slower... "
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Post by bluestrawberries on Apr 6, 2022 23:54:09 GMT
haha hi five!
ooh, interesting question! hmm for me personally, I feel like (probably much like Maria) I would have spent the time back at the abbey in seclusion + the time spent alone outisde the gazebo before the Captain came to find me thinking about all the possible consequences and mentally / emotionally preparing for them, so when it does happen I would be ready to just go for it. (like YES, take me, Captain!) but if I hadnt given it much thought prior, then I'd probably go down the "slow down" route, just so I could process everything first.
how about you?
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Post by indigoblue on Apr 7, 2022 20:32:28 GMT
I think I would stand in shocked silence like Maria does, and if he kissed me like that I think I would just go for it with relish.
However, it would be when he talks about getting married that I would say " Whoa! Let's just hold on a little!"
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Post by bluestrawberries on Apr 7, 2022 23:53:34 GMT
makes sense, marriage is huge and this whole thing is pretty sudden!
it's pretty amazing that Maria is so sure about it and accepts it just like that. though like I said, she'd probably had a lot of time to through beforehand
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