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Post by lisab1991 on Nov 4, 2013 11:35:58 GMT
I absolutely love this scene. The way Brigitta's jaw dropped in.. Shock? Realization? She's just like her father, she notices everything, though she might not be sure what she just noticed..
I like to think he actually did started loving her when she sat on that ridiculous pinecone, and that he only just realized his feelings during/after the Ländler (fuelled by her reaction). After that, the world came crashing down on him after she left (she's a postulant, so out of my league anyway).
Then, after she returned, and I hope he witnessed her (facial) reaction after Louisa/Brigitta broke The News, he was sort of sure about their mutual feelings.. On the balcony he was contemplating on how he could possibly deal with this mess he created, but was soon relieved from his burden after Elsa, if not somewhat reluctantly, agreed to call of their engagement.. And the rest is history :-)
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Post by utility_singer on Nov 4, 2013 12:40:52 GMT
Good stuff, Lisa. I'm sure the pinecone thing intrigued him, at the very least. And JA was so adorable with how she played it. His face also showed just a touch of amusement before hiding behind his sarcastic, "Something you learned at the abbey?" remark. I think he realized his growing attachment/attraction to her earlier than the Laendler, though, and took that opportunity to get close to her because it was a somewhat appropriate way to do so (what with all the children watching). The look when he's snapping on those gloves, well, that just about does me in! Oh, and I don't think he was searching the ballroom for Elsa or for the children, but for Maria. He didn't like society events, and needed to be near her to feel grounded.
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Post by lemacd on Nov 4, 2013 13:31:40 GMT
i'm sure you're right about pretty much everything you said, but as for the gloves thing... oh, baby. so. freakin'. awesome.
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 4, 2013 13:59:00 GMT
Agree. I think from the start, he was attracted to her in a few different ways (her post-pinecone spunk in sticking up for the children; how pretty she looks during the Edelweiss). Totally willing to believe it. I also personally think he was running from that reality most of that time; I'm not even sure he knew he "loved" her until she returned. . "Love" is a little more complex and deep than admiration or attraction, both of which he definitely felt, but I don't see how he could have "loved" her just because of the pinecone. Agree re: gloves, although I always thought that naughty look was more "now let's have some fun" than "I have the hots for her." I'll have to think about that. I love the idea that he was looking for her and the children, not Elsa. I think Lisa's right that Brigitta's not sure what she's seeing.
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 5, 2013 0:03:56 GMT
I never thought I'd find a pair of gloves so sexy.
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Post by utility_singer on Nov 5, 2013 2:33:14 GMT
Yeah, I agree he wasn't "in love" after the pine cone thing, but I do think that was certainly the first time she caught his attention as more than just a pain in the ass babysitter. In his own hindsight (which he'd had plenty of time for once she ran away!) he probably played every moment over and over in his mind, and knew that was the moment he was first smitten.
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 5, 2013 2:42:24 GMT
yes, and when he says it to her, it could be a kind of overstatement, like, "As unlikely as it seemed at the time, now that I look back, that was when I first knew ..." Personally (and in one of my fantasy stories), he never recovers from "you didn't tell me your signal, Captain."
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Post by utility_singer on Nov 5, 2013 2:44:22 GMT
Well, the look he gives her is smokin'.
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 12, 2013 3:47:32 GMT
I watched this again tonight. Still love that whole part where he reaches back to her, smirking, and she looks a little uncertain. But also - when he is doing that clapping thing? While she moves around him, he really totally rakes over her with a glance (is that the right expression? I'm really tired). Very nice indeed.
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Post by lemacd on Nov 12, 2013 3:50:43 GMT
oh my. i don't know if it the right expression or not but it totally worked for me.
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 12, 2013 3:54:00 GMT
I just had to go back and watch it again.
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Post by utility_singer on Nov 12, 2013 3:57:00 GMT
The whole thing just leaves me as a pile of goo. He is soooo damn sexy.
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 12, 2013 4:08:05 GMT
I love to put myself in her position, so to speak, for this scene. How it would have felt to be a little surprised and uncertain, then to relax into the fun of it, then to stop and realize what was coming next, then to be drawn so close to someone that you have, after all, been secretly admiring and is very attractive . . . I love the way she is out of breath at the end. I don't think I really did it justice the one time I wrote about it, and I'm not sure I'll do it justice when we get there in WG (and we WILL get there). It's just so wonderful.
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 13, 2013 0:44:27 GMT
"He really totally rakes over her with a glance" - Anne, you really ought to be a writer!
I think it goes back to some comment I made recently: the contrast between the unemotional, stiff exterior devoid of gestures or anything extraneous, and the glimpses we see of something inside altogether more turbulent and out of control, is what is so intriguing and ...well...irresistible.
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Post by augiesannie on Nov 13, 2013 1:29:46 GMT
yes. and why I (and I am not the only one) get drawn to writing about him in more, er, unbuttoned circumstances. so we can peek in that half-open door YOU write about so beautifully. I wish you would write a story indigo!
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Post by indigoblue on Nov 14, 2013 23:42:54 GMT
So do I! But at present I cannot even keep up with all of your wonderful posting - there are tons of great comments I haven't even had a moment to look at yet. But we are renovating a barn here and it is likely to be completed by the end of the year, so hopefully in 2014...
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Jan 4, 2014 2:09:12 GMT
I'm totally a member of BFC!!! In my heart i know she went on to find true love and happiness. And she while she will always love the captain, her new man is a very fine speciman and needs her desperately. not her money, her. is it max? some people think that is how it should be, but i don't. i adore max, too, but not sure he's as ready to change his ways. there is a one shot cross over TSOM/Inglorious Bastards and it is simply fun if you're ever in the mood for something different. cant' remember what it is rated. i think you can follow it fine without ever seeing IB. I want to be part of the BFC. Can this be my entry form??
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Post by lemacd on Jan 4, 2014 3:38:11 GMT
you're in. you're in because you wrote this.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 6, 2014 1:03:01 GMT
Yes, anyone who writes as sensitively as that is definitely IN! (We need all the members we can get.)
Membership of the BFC now about 4 (varies a bit depending on how people are feeling), and will no doubt go down with the anticipated hike in subscription rates for 2014. To perk things up a bit, as President of the Baroness Fan Club, I can announce that you can all put away your black mourning clothes now the New Year is here.
2014 is the year to celebrate Eleanor Parker's talent and beauty!
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 6, 2014 1:06:39 GMT
I feel like celebrating.
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Post by lemacd on Jan 6, 2014 1:35:55 GMT
i treated myself to some sale dvds and found 'many rivers to cross' w/ EP. i will celebrate by watching it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 1:39:23 GMT
Can I be a member of the BFC too?
Don't get me wrong, I'm totally M & G all the way, but I've always felt the Baroness was a bit hard done by, despite her conversation with M in her room during the party. I mean, she essentially got dumped by a man who had been courting her for at least several months and taken her back home with the intent of a future marriage. She was very gracious about it when G broke it off with her on the balcony. If it had been me in her position, I would have certainly given him a piece of my mind (and probably thrown something!)
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Post by utility_singer on Jan 6, 2014 1:44:11 GMT
While I think all that is true, I think Elsa realized early on ----earlier even than M & G--- their Mutual Adoration Society, membership: 2, and so she was *almost* prepared when Georg finally ended it. And she was far too classy to yell or throw things; women of her station did not do such things. They did things like going to their rival and chasing them away ;-)
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Post by lemacd on Jan 6, 2014 1:44:17 GMT
elsa's behavior, i think, was motivated mostly out of love for georg. to be in love with the man you plan to marry was a rare thing for women like that, you have to consider so much and make a good choice. love is not always the "good" choice. she was trying to hold on to it with both fists. i think there are other arguments about her behavior and feelings, but i like this one.
you don't have to cheer for her to win the captain (heck, no!) and we're all team maria, but we do hope she found love. real love. some man that can make her forget about captain von sexy pants or at least come darn close to forgetting about him.
in 'many rivers to cross', robert taylor is going to give it a try. we'll see how he does.
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Post by utility_singer on Jan 6, 2014 1:47:12 GMT
See, I don't know that Elsa loved Georg. Or maybe she wasn't *in* love with him. I think she loved the idea of him, and of being married to him. I do think she cared about him, and wanted him to be happy. But love? Hmmmm.....
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Post by lemacd on Jan 6, 2014 1:59:25 GMT
yeah, that would be another theory. and i can totally see how and why people think that way. still, i like my theory. i know i'm in the minority. and that's ok.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 2:05:05 GMT
Maybe not in love with him as such as but as she puts it, "searching, just like him"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 2:15:37 GMT
Just getting back to the Laendler, here are some promo shots of the Laendler from one of my Julie books that people may (or may not) have seen before.
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Jan 6, 2014 8:00:35 GMT
Yeah I had. So gorgeous
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Post by gothicbutterfly95 on Jan 6, 2014 8:03:19 GMT
you're in. you're in because you wrote this.Aww, thanks. I'm actually thinking I might do another one about her, after EP passed away.
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