Georg & Elsa: Yes or No?

almost done with ILFYW (well... two more chapters to go) and then need to devote serious attention to NWIWY. then elsa. too many irons in the fire, maybe?

I know this post is not something about G&E but this thread kind of made me wonder about G & M's (respective) past relationships.
As for Maria, since she had spent most of her adult life at the Abbey, I guess she most likely hadn't been in any relationship before? Then what about Georg? I sometimes wonder if there had been other women before Elsa?

Oh, how unromantic

I think the real life Maria, possibly, but the movie Maria, I'm not so sure about because she even tells the Reverend Mother that she has never felt that way before. I guess I just like to think that Georg gives her, her first kiss ever, but that's just me. I certainly love all of the different views and stories that come as a result of all the pondering. It keeps things interesting.

maybe not properly kissed, but i like to think she's had her heart broken a little at some point. because, yes... liesl. but in light of finding her real true love of her life, that heartbreak was just... heart burn. coming back to the villa to find him engaged... that was heart break.

pain.

owwie.

Nooooooooo. I can’t. It’s ew. But also, I like to think of Georg as a rake in his youth, reformed by Agathe, and completely sexually dormant until Maria “awakens” that side of him. Elsa never had the ability to.

I have an indecisive and wild imagination so some universes in my head had them as friends with benefits (because I mean...), and some universes wherein Georg just... didn't.

A story of mine had them as friends with benefits Just For Fun because again, I mean... Though through inspection, etc., I think that in the movie-verse he was too broken-up over Agathe's death to have... er... done it with Elsa. And personally, I think he himself knew that he was broken up, and it was extremely unfair to subject a person dear to him -- even in a friendly way -- to that sort of brokenness. Maybe I'm adding my own tragic touch to it, but who knows?

But I do agree with sillywhistle, "it's ew" to even think of the possibilities HAHAHA.

I love your "adding the physical component is probably more of a natural extension..." Well yes! Ha ha!

But I agree, G&E are quite touchy-feely (he pinches her bottom beside the lake, and she takes it all in her stride).

I can see Elsa being keen, but Georg oddly not; or even them getting it together, but not finding it successful, and all because the 'internal milieu' isn't harmonious.

I agree! I think Georg and Elsa look good on paper together (both attractive, both wealthy, both high society, both available, similar ages, etc.), but that they aren't actually compatible on a number of levels, and this is one of those levels. I think Georg is still heartbroken over Agathe and would feel like he is cheating on her, in some weird way, to sleep with Elsa. I think Elsa wants to be with him, but has thus far accepted his excuse that they need to remain proper. Maybe she is hoping that while they are away from the prying eyes and gossip mongers of Vienna, and with Max as her chaperone/willing accomplice, that she will be able to lure Georg into some alone time. Little does she know what's waiting for her at the villa.

I think part of why Georg falls so hard for Maria is that he doesn't think he could ever feel that way about a woman again. "Awakened" is a good way to put it.    

It is an interesting theory that G and E made an attempt at intimacy, but that things didn't go well. That would be awkward!! I guess they could blame it on too much champagne. Still, in my mind, it never happened. 

i'm of the opinion that it happened once. No more, no less because I genuinely think that there was some sort of attraction and I don't see either of them not acting on those impulses, but after it happened, maybe that was when things got more serious and georg decided to put on the brakes and shortly after, that was when he made his mind up to bring elsa home. however, i have loved reading through this whole thread, it was super fun and i could see all of the points made being true! 

Yes, but I have a funny feeling that Elsa was the main driver...what do you think?

I know what you mean, mariarainers, and I think it is because G&E have the body language of lovers - or recent ex-lovers.

When you think of how people deported themselves in the 1930s, it was terribly 'proper', no nonsense and seemly. This may have been especially so in Europe compared to the US, particularly when one remembers the film is set at the end of a long economic depression which would have put the kybosh on a lot of louche parties and entertainments.

But despite this, our couple stand very close together, Elsa waggles her figure provocatively in front of Georg, and at times by the lakeside he responds positively (pinching her behind etc). There is a lot of 'dancing' around each other in this scene.

I agree, maybe they were close, but bed was a disaster, so now Georg has cold feet and Elsa is left desperately trying to rekindle the embers?
Maybe having 'saved' him once she is hoping she can save their relationship this time?

so THAT'S how Elsa is his savior?

mariarainers, I think you expressed it beautifully! You make a lot of sense to me. That scenario would make a great story!

I wrote a story once in which G was the initiator, but the twist was that while he was more than satisfactory in bed, he was unbearably boring the rest of the time, especially once he brought her to Salzburg. Elsa can't get enough of him but at the same time she knows it's not enough. I like writing stories that "flip" my conventional thinking and that was definitely one of them!