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Post by revcap on Jan 2, 2016 3:10:17 GMT
I love the way Gretel looks at her father.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Aug 30, 2019 15:51:33 GMT
When I was a kid, I actually thought Elsa had a harmonica and wished she would have brought it so that she could join in with the family singing. Ha! It is now obvious to me that this line was a polite way of telling Max that she is DONE with these family performances and wants to be doing something without the children.
I like the contrast on how forcefully and directly Georg says no to Max about the children singing in the festival, and then how gently he says no to Maria, as he almost self-consciously looks away from her towards the children, and then gives in easily after her “please”. We haven’t seen him act shy before (well, maybe a little bit with "I ask you to stay."). He probably feels hesitant to play/sing for his children because it’s been so long and holds so many memories, but really I think a lot of the self-consciousness is because Maria is watching. And he admires her. I’m not going to throw “love” out there yet, but certainly there is mutual respect and admiration. He doesn’t want to disappoint her. He starts softly with his back to his audience, maybe making sure he can really remember/handle this before he starts singing confidently? Maria is leaning forward on the chair in front of her, I think breathless with anticipation. And then the first “happy” is directed solely to her, and she smiles in return. I love this.
This is the second time we see Elsa notice the looks between Maria and Georg (the first being after the puppet show, which was only a few minutes before). She notices Georg singing to Maria, and then the dreamy look Maria has as she leans against the wall. Georg does sing to Elsa too, but I think it was after he remembered she was there and that this would be a polite thing to do, similar to escorting her out of the room after the puppet show.
What is Maria thinking about as she leans back on the wall? Is she just basking in his lovely voice and thinking how wonderful it is that the children are reunited with their father? I wonder how much Maria and Elsa have been together in the same room since she arrived. Does Maria notice that Elsa has very little to do with the children and probably is not the wonderful mother she’s been praying for?
Max might have pieced it together earlier than Elsa since he knew Georg before music disappeared from his life. He would have recognized how monumental it was that Georg sang and hugged his children after the boat scene, and figured it out quickly that it was all Maria’s doing. But does he think there is more happening between them than respect and gratitude? I don’t know. He notices that Elsa suspects that there is more going on.
I’m glad Liesl gets to sing with her father. Maybe she did this with her mother when she was little? The second “happy” is directed at her, which I think shows that he really is happy to be singing with is children again. I also like that she is playing guitar when they sing for Elsa. Really any situation when she is given more responsibility than the little kids makes me happy.
Then looks Georg and Maria are giving each other during the final “bless my homeland forever”, wow! In my head, they are both saying “you are amazing.” Then the shy little shrug. Max is smart to interrupt with a joke. If he hadn’t, Maria and her far too outspokenness may have said what she was thinking (you are incredible, you have such a beautiful voice, please sing for us again, etc.) and really sent Elsa into high alert status.
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Post by pandaexpress on Feb 11, 2020 4:14:53 GMT
In case no one can tell I really love finding these .gif files (they are very cool though), I thought this one was awesome. I was surprised that I couldn't find a thread on Edelweiss (although I may have missed it). I think we need to talk about this scene and all its awesomeness (but I can't right now... I have to go and watch Sherlock with my husband that we recorded the other night - yes lemacd , I'm excited!!!) Look at the way Maria looks at Georg when he first starts singing! I noticed this today and it looks like her eyebrows are raised and she's almost yearning? I don't know. What do you guys think she is thinking at this moment?
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 11, 2020 23:49:52 GMT
I think it is the first time Maria has seen tenderness in the Captain, which she assumes he is showing towards his children as he sings. However, as the song goes on and he begins to sing to her, she has to acknowledge that he thinks she is pretty special too. I think his rather military and cold manner has kept her at arm's length before, so now she changes her ideas about him because she did, after all, think he was rather dishy...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 13, 2020 20:28:22 GMT
Yearning! Yes! She is leaning forward towards him in anticipation. She can not wait for this song to happen. For the children of course, but she is also curious about the man behind the facade. Then he delivers in spades!
This picture is right when he starts singing, and Elsa is already glancing at Maria. Do you see that? I have never noticed this glance before.
I think Maria loves watching this scene unfold with the children, but is surprised (yet delighted) when his attention turns to her. Have you ever noticed that her left hand flexes on the table when he first looks at/sing to her? It reminds me of Georg's finger wiggles in other scenes, when the intensity of the moment is too much for him.
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Post by Supercali on Feb 14, 2020 3:39:06 GMT
Yearning! Yes! She is leaning forward towards him in anticipation. She can not wait for this song to happen. For the children of course, but she is also curious about the man behind the facade. Then he delivers in spades! This picture is right when he starts singing, and Elsa is already glancing at Maria. Do you see that? I have never noticed this glance before. I think Maria loves watching this scene unfold with the children, but is surprised (yet delighted) when his attention turns to her. Have you ever noticed that her left hand flexes on the table when he first looks at/sing to her? It reminds me of Georg's finger wiggles in other scenes, when the intensity of the moment is too much for him. Yes I saw that! Actually when Maria handed Georg the guitar and asked him to sing, Elsa already started glancing at both Maria and Georg suspiciously. I think right after the lonely goatherd performance, Elsa had sensed the spark between Maria and Georg (like I did ). And when Georg took the guitar and started singing, Maria's excitement kinda confirmed her suspicion....there's something going on between her boyfriend and the governess. It makes me wonder if this was the main reason that Elsa suggested having a party? To try to make Georg and her relationship officially.
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Post by clarinetjamie on Feb 18, 2020 9:40:26 GMT
Honestly, I think her suspicions start way before that, maybe not necessarily knowing something is going on between them, but a general suspicion that things might not workout between them. I refer back to the scene when she and Max are chatting before the children show up in the boat. When they do show up I don't think she sees her as a threat yet, but she does take notice of how young she is and looks her over pretty good. I think she leaves them there thinking the governess is about to be fired and when he goes after her when she is caught seeing the kids sing with him the baroness takes notice instantly. At that moment her curiosity about the power this woman has over her man to make him change so is peaked and then after the puppet show the look Georg gives Maria really makes Elsa uncomfortable and so it began.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 19, 2020 20:48:30 GMT
I agree that Elsa is insecure about her relationship with Georg before she even meets Maria (Pealing madly, but not necessarily for me). At this point though, she thinks her biggest competition is his dead wife, which she's willing to deal with. Then she starts getting upstaged by a poor, plainly dressed, nun from the mountains and she needs to react. I agree Supercali, I think the party is her way of telling Georg that she wants their relationship to be more official. And it is no coincidence that this announcement happens moments after Georg and Maria are gazing at each other during edelweiss. She is a strategist. Good point clarinetjamie. I always kind of think of the puppet show as the first time Elsa notices something happening between Georg and Maria, but you are right. She absolutely does give Maria the once over before walking into the house, and must notice the shocking change that has just happened to Georg (singing, giving attention to his children, chasing the governess as she runs up the stairs). Elsa is likely wise to this relationship before anyone else (even Georg and Maria).
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 22, 2020 23:32:14 GMT
I think that one of the reasons Elsa called for a big party was because she knew she could, and Maria couldn't. This way she was asserting her superiority and also underlined the fact that she had a more sophisticated way of life than Maria (a way of telling her to leave the Captain alone as she was out of her depth).
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 26, 2020 14:31:03 GMT
I think that one of the reasons Elsa called for a big party was because she knew she could, and Maria couldn't. This way she was asserting her superiority and also underlined the fact that she had a more sophisticated way of life than Maria (a way of telling her to leave the Captain alone as she was out of her depth). "Let's REALLY fill this house with music.." does seem to say that the puppet show and edelweiss were insignificant compared to what her grand and glorious party would be. She sweeps over, walking between Georg and Maria as she says it to. She is trying to put Maria in her place. And getting Georg to remember that she is in the room...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 26, 2020 14:54:20 GMT
What is Georg thinking when Elsa is asking him (in a way that he can't refuse) to have this party? See attached. This looks like the face my kids make when they don't want to eat their broccoli. Does he hate parties? Do they remind him of Agathe? Does he not want to disrupt the comfortable quiet evenings he is now enjoying with his children? Attachments:
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 26, 2020 15:06:45 GMT
I am in an Edelweiss kind of mood today. I'm trying to sort out what Georg and Maria are thinking, and how their thinking changes through the course of this song. The attached pics are during the first happy to meet me, when Georg first looks over at Maria. They are both smiling. What are they thinking? - This is so fun? I'm so glad it's happening? Attachments:
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 26, 2020 15:13:43 GMT
How about this one? This is no longer the bright smile of excitement. She has her head leaning against the wall and seems to be staring off into space. What is she thinking now? That his voice is so lovely? Is this the moment that she starts to think of him not just as a man that she wants to reunite with his children, but as someone she is attracted to?? Attachments:
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 26, 2020 15:22:21 GMT
Last post, I promise! Well, in this thread anyway.. What are they thinking at the very end of the song? They do not have the bright smiles of the beginning, nor the lost in their own world looks of the middle. In my mind they are both thinking that the other is completely amazing, but they are both kind of surprised by the intensity of their feelings, and so are just staring at each other despite everyone else in the room staring at them (not unlike the end of the Laendler). Attachments:
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 27, 2020 23:24:23 GMT
Yes, I think it all starts as a bit of fun, but I can't help thinking that not only does she find his voice delicious, but this is the first time he has shown tenderness, and it's directed at her - hence the swooning. Can't say I'd do anything different!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 9, 2020 16:08:24 GMT
It does start as a bit of fun, still it's a different fun than we have seen before. The puppet show was fun too, but not intense like this. They have of course had intense looks before (the argument, the stairs after the argument, after the puppet show), but this seems different to me. More emotional maybe. I like that you described it as tender. You're right, we are seeing a new side of him here. And that's just the start of the song.
The middle can take you wherever you want to go. She could be dreaming about Austria, or how wonderful it is to be around someone else that enjoys music/singing, or what a blessing it is that this family is healing, or how nice it is to be appreciated by someone, or how easy it is to fall under the spell of such a captivating voice, or maybe even wow he is lovely to look at/listen to/be with and I could see myself as part of this family.
I see the end of them both being a little surprised by their own feelings. Georg has the life experience to know that he is taken with her, and that this feels different than how he feels around Elsa. Maria does not have the life experience to know what her feelings mean, but surely she knows that she hasn't felt like this about anyone before. I don't think the major realizations come until the Laendler, but still, these are some pretty intense looks here.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 19, 2020 19:56:50 GMT
Why did Georg say yes to the party at the end of this scene? Did Elsa have him in a position where he couldn't say no without hurting her feelings? Couldn't he have just said "That sounds wonderful, but times are too troubling for a party, darling" or something along those lines? Did the children's excited reaction soften him? Did he want to see Maria all dressed up?
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 19, 2020 23:13:07 GMT
I can only think he and Elsa had discussed it beforehand (maybe at supper), when she was very keen, so that when she suggested it after Edelweiss, it was a foregone conclusion - he seems to capitulate pretty quickly. At this point he can't imagine that Maria would feature at all - and if it wan't for the Laendler, then it would have passed without incident. Presumably a lot must have happened behind the scenes between them for him to relish the prospect of dancing with her, as he and his white gloves did...
But a big party like that with an orchestra would normally take at least a month to organise; I have lost track as to where we are in the summer holidays! Does Elsa stay at the villa all the time before it happens? Plenty of time for things to sour...
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Post by Silver-White-Winters on Mar 20, 2020 17:44:57 GMT
I notice that Liesl has this "Hm... I wonder" look on her face. It seems like she knows that M & G feel something for each other. Or at least wonders if anything is happening. Or is Liesl just looking at her father with amazement?. Thoughts on this?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 21, 2020 13:51:32 GMT
But a big party like that with an orchestra would normally take at least a month to organise; I have lost track as to where we are in the summer holidays! Does Elsa stay at the villa all the time before it happens? Plenty of time for things to sour... I love thinking about the in between times. If Elsa were gone (in Vienna shopping for a perfect party dress?), then Georg and Maria could freely spend more time together. I would imagine that when Elsa is there, she is keeping a close eye on when Georg and Maria are together. She is suspicious. But with her gone, Georg can realize that his household is better off without her, and that he loves spending time with the governess. The party still has to go on since invitations have been sent out, but maybe Georg already knew things with Elsa weren't going to work out? Or maybe Elsa does stay the whole time, and Georg gets more of a taste of how life would be with her in Salzburg. Either way, he has to know deep down that he has changed, and that the party life with Elsa is not what he wants long term.
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 21, 2020 22:53:34 GMT
In case no one can tell I really love finding these .gif files (they are very cool though), I thought this one was awesome. I was surprised that I couldn't find a thread on Edelweiss (although I may have missed it). I think we need to talk about this scene and all its awesomeness (but I can't right now... I have to go and watch Sherlock with my husband that we recorded the other night - yes lemacd , I'm excited!!!) Look at the way Maria looks at Georg when he first starts singing! I noticed this today and it looks like her eyebrows are raised and she's almost yearning? I don't know. What do you guys think she is thinking at this moment? View Attachment yearning - that is a good word for it.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 22, 2020 21:04:49 GMT
I notice that Liesl has this "Hm... I wonder" look on her face. It seems like she knows that M & G feel something for each other. Or at least wonders if anything is happening. Or is Liesl just looking at her father with amazement?. Thoughts on this? You mean during the song, after he has looked at Maria? My take on this was just that she is amazed that her father is singing again. After Elsa makes the party suggestion, I think Liesl looks just as excited as the other kids. I'm sure she does have suspicions eventually, I'm not sure when those start though. Maybe while she is replaying this evening's events in her head before bed? I love in the beginning of the song how Liesl is smiling at her father and then turns to look at her brothers and sisters reactions. It reminds me of how I often like watching my kids enjoy something much more than I enjoy watching whatever it is we are all looking at. She has probably had to do quite a bit of mothering to the others in Agathe's absence.
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Post by Silver-White-Winters on Mar 23, 2020 0:10:56 GMT
I notice that Liesl has this "Hm... I wonder" look on her face. It seems like she knows that M & G feel something for each other. Or at least wonders if anything is happening. Or is Liesl just looking at her father with amazement?. Thoughts on this? You mean during the song, after he has looked at Maria? My take on this was just that she is amazed that her father is singing again. After Elsa makes the party suggestion, I think Liesl looks just as excited as the other kids. I'm sure she does have suspicions eventually, I'm not sure when those start though. Maybe while she is replaying this evening's events in her head before bed? I love in the beginning of the song how Liesl is smiling at her father and then turns to look at her brothers and sisters reactions. It reminds me of how I often like watching my kids enjoy something much more than I enjoy watching whatever it is we are all looking at. She has probably had to do quite a bit of mothering to the others in Agathe's absence. Now that I've thought about it, it seems more amazement and adoration towards her father. Maybe she does replay the scene, when she lays in bed? Your thought/input makes more sense.
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Post by augiesannie on Apr 19, 2020 0:04:47 GMT
Last post, I promise! Well, in this thread anyway.. What are they thinking at the very end of the song? They do not have the bright smiles of the beginning, nor the lost in their own world looks of the middle. In my mind they are both thinking that the other is completely amazing, but they are both kind of surprised by the intensity of their feelings, and so are just staring at each other despite everyone else in the room staring at them (not unlike the end of the Laendler). Similar to what others have said, I think she is a little confused, surprised, concerned. After all she's trying to find out if she can expect it of herself to become a nun!!!
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Post by emilia78 on Apr 20, 2020 8:15:28 GMT
yearning - that is a good word for it. I would think that Maria after the row and apologizing is soooo happy and feels so accomplished that she managed to connect the children with their father that her unconditional love for the children turns into infatuation for the captain BUT at the gazebo scene she says that she started loving him since that silly whistle. No children then, no playing or connection with them and yet she felt attracted to him. So we can safely conclude that her infatuation with the Captain is independent from her love to the children. I imagine that after the puppet show she sees a totally different, sweet, kind, polished man and what clicked her at the whistle scene gradually evolves now to a deeper sexual feeling. I think that Maria does not realize the sexuality of her feelings. She feels dreamy like riding a pink cloud, she is ecstatic and absolutely delighted, maybe she feels such happiness for the first time in her life, as she is at a warm cozy home, she formed a bond with the children, she connected them to their father who accepted her great help and insight. Therefore it is natural for a young girl full of life and spirit as Maria who was clicked initially by the captain to fall in love with him later. And she does not realize she is in love, she does not realize that the captain also loves her. She understands this situationn as admiration, kindness and respect. However, her bewilderment puzzles her when he influences her in a way she has never felt. Look at the laendler, when there is a distance between them, everything is ok, she has fun although being thoughtful. When the dance changes to a more provocative and sensual style, bodies being touched, eyes into eyes, in a distance of breath, crossing hands and his arm hugging her to reach her hand in the back whereas his other hand keeps her hand on top of their heads, I think she is swept over her feet feeling subdued to this powerful feeling exploding in her soul and mind.
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Post by augiesannie on Apr 20, 2020 9:50:51 GMT
Beautiful.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jun 15, 2020 18:41:51 GMT
I love the way Gretel looks at her father. It is amazing how much these kids look up to their father. I know children treated their parents with more respect and admiration in these days than they do today, but just look at them. They are in awe of him. This is a major event of course, with him singing when he once banned music from the house. Still, I think they are always watching him. It makes it that much more heartbreaking that he was ignoring them, since they all so wanted his acceptance, attention, and love.
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Post by indigoblue on Jun 18, 2020 23:07:43 GMT
Oh, but I do love that swoosh of his hair there...darn it, there I go again
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Post by sillywhistle on Jun 18, 2020 23:26:55 GMT
Oh, but I do love that swoosh of his hair there...darn it, there I go again Yes. He is looking REAL good here.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jun 25, 2020 14:24:52 GMT
Oh, but I do love that swoosh of his hair there...darn it, there I go again He does make it hard to focus. Sometimes I have to watch scenes again because I was...distracted...and missed watching the important parts.
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