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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 12, 2022 19:20:51 GMT
For most of this 'song', he is acknowledging Maria or hoping for Maria's approval. Elsa does get an honourable mention at one point, but this is where things really seem to shift from Georg and Elsa to Georg and Maria. That has to create a lot of dissonance for someone who is normally so calculated and in control, and maybe he is starting to acknowledge he's not in control any more? There are SO many juicy options - like the ones already suggested.
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 12, 2022 20:53:19 GMT
it really does feed the imagination about what went on, in between "it will be my first party, Father!" and that first downbeat from the smiling orchestra conductor.
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Post by missisa on Mar 13, 2022 21:06:31 GMT
I wonder how many days passed until the party started and what relationship everyone had in the meantime. More puppet shows? Family dinners full of laughter? I would say that each one behaved as expected, otherwise, we have missed a good piece of stories! the funniest thing I can think of is G and E talking about who to invite (sounds like there's a deleted scene about this?) and M and the children rehearsing the So Long Farewell number
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 15, 2022 0:41:32 GMT
You can't organise a party that big in under two weeks, probably longer.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 19, 2022 19:15:25 GMT
Is CP actually playing the guitar in this scene? I know his voice was dubbed, so the guitar probably was too. I'm just wondering if he is playing the right chords or just making it up. The guitar is not my instrument, so I can't tell.
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Post by missisa on Sept 19, 2022 19:59:26 GMT
Is CP actually playing the guitar in this scene? I know his voice was dubbed, so the guitar probably was too. I'm just wondering if he is playing the right chords or just making it up. The guitar is not my instrument, so I can't tell. I've always assumed the guitar was dubbed too. Imdb trivia confirms: "Christopher Plummer learned to play the guitar for his part, but the guitar (like his vocals) were re-dubbed."
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 25, 2022 22:11:38 GMT
I looked at it a while back and came to the conclusion he was faking it: his left hand fingers don't seem to be moving as accurately or pressing as hard as he would need to to produce a good sound.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 26, 2022 19:12:16 GMT
Maybe they are the right chords but he isn't really playing them?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 26, 2022 19:32:55 GMT
I was comparing Edelweiss and the Landler today. Both start with one of them unexpectedly asking something pretty major of the other, though in an almost teasing way. They smile at each other throughout. Then they both end with one of those times they look at each other and can hardly breathe.
How many times do they play this game that we don't see? They are basically flirting with each other until it gets too real. Is Edelweiss the first time?
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 26, 2022 22:10:06 GMT
It's difficult to say, because you could say they are almost always flirting with each other, but not to such an intensity as the above scenes - except, ironically, at the beginning of gazebo scene, when Maria believes Georg to be engaged. And maybe not in the thunderstorm scene, because he is so stern.
But in most of the other scenes, they are 'bouncing off each other', even if it is only to score points.
I don't think Georg would have mentioned the new governess to Elsa, other than to say she had arrived just before he left for Vienna. So I would say Elsa knew very little about Maria, and cared less, other than that she kept the children at bay!
It occurred to me that there wouldn't be many parents who would take on a young governess the day before leaving for Vienna for a month, without worrying themselves silly about what was happening to them when they were away. Also, they wouldn't fire them when they got home, without having someone else to look after them!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 29, 2022 19:17:30 GMT
It occurred to me that there wouldn't be many parents who would take on a young governess the day before leaving for Vienna for a month, without worrying themselves silly about what was happening to them when they were away. Also, they wouldn't fire them when they got home, without having someone else to look after them! Yes! I would venture to say that no parent would do this, except in a movie. In movie world though, Georg must have a lot of faith in his other staff (Frau Schmidt primarily, I'm guessing) to make sure the governess was at least keeping the children safe while he was away, and also must have staff (probably Frau Schmidt again) that could take over governess duties should one quit or get fired before a replacement had been secured.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 29, 2022 23:24:55 GMT
Not sure what Frau Schmidt would say about that! The Housekeeping would have to go to pot...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Oct 23, 2022 1:03:23 GMT
I looked at it a while back and came to the conclusion he was faking it: his left hand fingers don't seem to be moving as accurately or pressing as hard as he would need to to produce a good sound. I feel this same way about Julie at the beginning of Do Re Mi. She looks like she's playing, but not really enough to be actually playing.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Dec 12, 2022 22:54:51 GMT
Do you think Georg has always considered Edelweiss to be a love song? He calls it that at the festival, clearly in reference to love for Austria. Though I wonder if him calling it a love song was also a little secret wink at Maria since him singing to her was the beginning of their love story?
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Post by indigoblue on Dec 22, 2022 0:29:59 GMT
Yes, just that. It was also a sort of love song for his children, as he used to sing it to them ( which is how Liesl knew it to accompany him), and we see him singing it to them, as well as Maria with a particularly soft and gentle delivery.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 20, 2023 21:43:34 GMT
I counted today and we see Elsa glance at Maria 6 times during this song (and just after). I'm assuming there were even more times that we don't see just judging by how often and intensely Georg was looking at Maria. Was she looking to see Maria's reaction to Georg's attention (to see if she was falling for him the same way she suspected he was falling for her)? Was she hoping to catch Maria's eye and let her know with a look that she found her behavior inappropriate? Was she just continually wondering what Georg saw in her so she kept trying to figure it out?
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 21, 2023 13:34:28 GMT
That is a great question reverendcaptain. Because we'd expect Elsa to look at Georg, or Georg at Maria, or Maria at Georg, but why Elsa at Maria? Of course I had to go back and watch. The first time (at least I think it's the first time), Elsa has been looking at Georg, but when he directs that funny little smirk at Maria while singing the word "happy," Elsa follows his eyes to Maria and tilts her chin s though she is thinking "hmmm" to herself (and especially because that is after that little "I'd be happy to help you" moment just a bit before.) She does a little more chin tilting then, while appraisingly surveying Georg. Her expression softens at "bless my homeland," but she looks so insecure and hurt after Georg finishes the song and looks to Maria for approval. Thank you for inspiring this close watch! Another thing I noticed: during the very last lines, Georg, who has been smiling, suddenly sobers up at "bless my homeland," and looks quite grave by "forever." Which I guess could reflect his thoughts about the Anschluss but the fact that he says "forever" and then we see that the subject of that sober realizing gaze is Maria, makes me wonder if he is not thinking about her too. screencap here but you really should watch it for yourself
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 25, 2023 22:44:10 GMT
I'm trying to put myself in Elsa's shoes. If I were watching my (almost) fiance sing a song and he directed a line to someone else in the room, I would turn and look at that person too. I understand her "Hmmm..." reaction. If it were me, I'd be done looking at Maria then though. I wouldn't care what she was feeling nearly as much as I'd care what my boyfriend was feeling. So I'd focus my attention on him, to see how much emotion he was directing towards her, not the other way around. Though, maybe Elsa knows she is going to have to figure this out with Maria and not Georg, so she's sizing up the severity of the problem?
The "forever" at the end is definitely both Austria and Maria, which is another "can hardly breathe" moment for G&M (and me too!).
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 27, 2023 0:39:45 GMT
Elsa needs to know whether Maria is responding in kind to Georg's lines directed at her; if M had stood coldly, then Elsa would be more confident that Georg's overtures were not accepted. I think that is why Elsa keeps looking at Maria, to see if it is a two-way thing - then realises it is a Can Hardly Breathe moment!
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Post by augiesannie on Jan 28, 2023 16:25:19 GMT
I could hardly breathe myself, watching it!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 3, 2023 20:31:53 GMT
When Georg does that adorable shrug and smile at the end, do you think Maria returns his smile? She's looking at him in awe just before, then we see her smiling after Max's joke about Georg joining the singing act. We never see her reaction to his smile. I wonder if she smiled back or if she was still under his spell. Elsa's uncomfortable side glance would work for either scenario.
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Post by augiesannie on Feb 3, 2023 23:21:54 GMT
When Georg does that adorable shrug and smile at the end, do you think Maria returns his smile? She's looking at him in awe just before, then we see her smiling after Max's joke about Georg joining the singing act. We never see her reaction to his smile. I wonder if she smiled back or if she was still under his spell. Elsa's uncomfortable side glance would work for either scenario. what a great question. This is what she looks like just before he smiles and shrugs,so I'm thinking not a smile. Or this, which if I were Elsa would really freak me out. But if Maria does smile, I think it's like this earlier smile - girlish and not the least bit sophisticated.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 4, 2023 0:16:39 GMT
Presumably Maria does not realise that Elsa is looking at her, because she would clam up if she did?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 8, 2023 23:29:09 GMT
When Georg does that adorable shrug and smile at the end, do you think Maria returns his smile? She's looking at him in awe just before, then we see her smiling after Max's joke about Georg joining the singing act. We never see her reaction to his smile. I wonder if she smiled back or if she was still under his spell. Elsa's uncomfortable side glance would work for either scenario. what a great question. This is what she looks like just before he smiles and shrugs,so I'm thinking not a smile. Or this, which if I were Elsa would really freak me out. But if Maria does smile, I think it's like this earlier smile - girlish and not the least bit sophisticated. Maybe she gives just a hint of smile? So not full on girlie smile like earlier, but not still in her own world (also like earlier). It would be hard to not react at all when he gives such a break in his armor, by smiling so shyly, clearly looking for her approval. And as to Indigo's point, there is no way that she knows Elsa is looking at her at all. Which, yet again, shows her naivety about relationships.
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 4, 2023 0:00:38 GMT
Ok, since we're in this super awesome analysis phase - has anyone else noticed that there's an obvious "AHA" moment near the end of Edelweiss for Georg? He is singing away, then it's like it hit's him! He's kind of facing off towards Liesl, then his facial expression 'pauses' for a lack of a better word, almost as though something has crossed his mind. Then he directs his attention to Maria. It starts here: movie-screencaps.com/the-sound-of-music-1965/page/55#foobox-1/171/sound-music-movie-screencaps.com-9892.jpg It happens right when he says the last "edelweiss" in the song about the 1:27:00 mark. Not that I was counting. IRONICALLY (or not) this is at ALMOST the exact half way point in the movie!
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Post by utility_singer on Mar 6, 2023 18:57:29 GMT
This is all.so.good!
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 8, 2023 23:53:41 GMT
Yes, I've never been sure of the significance of that; I think the words he is singing at that point are 'Bless my homeland forever', but why that should have meaning for Maria, I'm not sure.
Max watches either Georg or Maria very closely, then turns to Elsa and watches her watching Maria very carefully for some time. What is he thinking here?
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 20, 2023 9:48:17 GMT
Yes, I've never been sure of the significance of that; I think the words he is singing at that point are 'Bless my homeland forever', but why that should have meaning for Maria, I'm not sure. Max watches either Georg or Maria very closely, then turns to Elsa and watches her watching Maria very carefully for some time. What is he thinking here? He has just hatched his singing family idea and is trying to figure out how Elsa/Maria are going to fit into the act? (just kidding.) (sort of)
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 20, 2023 9:52:53 GMT
Ok, since we're in this super awesome analysis phase - has anyone else noticed that there's an obvious "AHA" moment near the end of Edelweiss for Georg? He is singing away, then it's like it hit's him! He's kind of facing off towards Liesl, then his facial expression 'pauses' for a lack of a better word, almost as though something has crossed his mind. Then he directs his attention to Maria. It starts here: movie-screencaps.com/the-sound-of-music-1965/page/55#foobox-1/171/sound-music-movie-screencaps.com-9892.jpg It happens right when he says the last "edelweiss" in the song about the 1:27:00 mark. Not that I was counting. IRONICALLY (or not) this is at ALMOST the exact half way point in the movie! oh wow Chris&Byng, we had a brain meld! I think that is just before the moment I was noticing above: i0.wp.com/img.screencaps.us/196/5-sound-music/full/sound-music-movie-screencaps.com-9921.jpg?ssl=1it's like at one moment he's singing about his homeland and then all of a sudden he's had a realization about Maria. But I did not realize it was the exact halfway point!
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Post by utility_singer on Mar 21, 2023 11:35:32 GMT
Singing about his homeland and then directing his attention to Maria, to me at least, is because by now he knows of Maria's love for their homeland (mountains, countryside) etc. It is something (beyond the children) that they have in common.
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