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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 7, 2021 21:22:31 GMT
Before Edelweiss, what does "Children, who should we hear from next?" even mean? Was someone else going to perform if Liesl hadn't suggested that Georg do it? I wonder what the evening plan was if this song hadn't happened?
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 9, 2021 0:19:26 GMT
Elsa on her harmonica?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 9, 2021 0:56:31 GMT
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 9, 2021 22:56:17 GMT
Just a little Dixie/hillbilly number maybe, perhaps with Max on vocals?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jan 11, 2021 1:41:52 GMT
Being from the UK, I'm surprised that you know what Dixie is, Indigo!
The visual of this is hilarious to me. "Hit it, Elsa! And-a one and-a two and-a three. Ohhhh, I wish I was in the land of cotton...." Meanwhile, everyone else sits frozen in place looking completely bewildered. hahahaha.
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Post by indigoblue on Jan 13, 2021 22:45:06 GMT
I do actually think Elsa has a wry twist to her which suggests she has buckets of character we don't really glimpse much in the film: I think she may well be capable of being very entertaining (although perhaps not in the manner I described!).
All credit to Eleanor Parker for her portrayal of a complex and intriguing woman...
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Post by NatureCalleth on Jan 16, 2021 5:05:53 GMT
Being from the UK, I'm surprised that you know what Dixie is, Indigo! The visual of this is hilarious to me. "Hit it, Elsa! And-a one and-a two and-a three. Ohhhh, I wish I was in the land of cotton...." Meanwhile, everyone else sits frozen in place looking completely bewildered. hahahaha. Union Dixie is a much better version, in my opinion. www.youtube.com/watch?v=muPyMLE5OtM
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 27, 2021 21:46:45 GMT
I'm reading a book called "The Sound of Music The Making of America's Favorite Movie" and it mentions that one of CP's suggested additions to the character of the captain was to include a solo for him to show his inner struggle as his love for Maria grows. This is why they had him sing Edelweiss after the puppet show (in the play they sing it as a family just at the festival, as a show of Austrian pride). I can't imagine this movie without the first Edelweiss! I find it to be so important to their love story.
I'm not sure what the point of my post is. I guess just that CP is a genius. And that I love Edelweiss. Especially their stare down at the end. And his cute little shrug. And her dreamy look in the middle. And how her hand flexes on the table when he looks at her. and..and..and..
What's everyone's favorite part of the Edelweiss scene?
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 2, 2021 0:16:05 GMT
It's that boyish shrug and grin, followed by how he rests his hands and chin on the guitar: at last he seems to have cast off his military exterior to expose a softer and more gentle soul beneath. MMmmmm!
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Post by laurynvi on Mar 2, 2021 1:26:37 GMT
Edelweiss was definitely the transformative moment in Georg as a man and father.
It's the shrug for me as well. Also the tentative way he starts is heart-tugging (I especially love CP's version as the whole thing is so perfectly not-too-perfect).
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 2, 2021 23:19:20 GMT
Do you think it would have been better to have had his own voice singing Edelweiss?
More appealing in a coy sort of way?
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 3, 2021 0:25:24 GMT
yes, I mean, he would always say that he had to be dubbed because he couldn't match Julie, but he only had to "match" her in "Something Good." It would have been moving to have his own voice!
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Post by laurynvi on Mar 3, 2021 0:33:37 GMT
I'm 'used' to the movie-version, but I do think CP's version would have been better (definitely more appealing) - it's just so perfect, especially for a man who hasn't touched music since his wife's death.
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 15, 2021 23:21:41 GMT
I was thinking today about the differences in emotion between the exchange after the puppet show and the looks during Edelweiss.
I really like the end of the puppet show. He walks right into her space, they are smiling and complimenting each other. He realizes it is over the line once Elsa walks over and he does that awkward bow, which she has a quick strange look on her face after. In my mind she's wondering, "why are you acting strange, we were just having a conversation about the puppet show". I guess I am saying, I think he has fallen for her more than she has fallen for him at this point.
Then comes Edelweiss, and it's her turn to be very very much impressed. The first time he looks over at her I think something shifts in her, and by the end of the song she is as taken with him as he is with her. I'm not throwing the L word out there yet (For me, that happens during the Laendler). Still, Edelweiss is pretty major for both of them I think.
Why do you think she doesn't sit down for this song? Just trying to be out of the way?
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Post by augiesannie on May 16, 2021 20:24:35 GMT
yes, I think it slows things down between them a bit (the same reason they deleted the scene that came right after, I think?) and to highlight how Elsa still has the upper hand. Also thinking of how, just after Elsa has suggested the party and the children have responded with delight, Maria hustles them out of the room, time for bed, etc. She probably feels that distance exquisitely ...
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Post by reverendcaptain on May 17, 2021 15:43:36 GMT
I've never thought about it quite like that. She does high tail it out of there once Elsa takes over. Does she feel upset about Elsa breaking the awesome vibe she and Georg just had going? Or does she want to be alone with her thoughts/ think about how great the puppet show went/ think about how great Georg just made her feel?
I would have liked the deleted scene to be in there! That's the one where we see her gazing out the window at him wandering by the lake below, right? I know people think this would have moved the romance part of the plot along too quickly, but I don't think so. It just shows that she is starting to think about him in a new way, and that he is overwhelmed by the evening. I don't think that this would take away from the rest of the storyline. But the potential internal dialogue for both of them in that scene would be fun to think about.
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Post by augiesannie on May 17, 2021 18:37:32 GMT
I've never thought about it quite like that. She does high tail it out of there once Elsa takes over. Does she feel upset about Elsa breaking the awesome vibe she and Georg just had going? Or does she want to be alone with her thoughts/ think about how great the puppet show went/ think about how great Georg just made her feel? I would have liked the deleted scene to be in there! That's the one where we see her gazing out the window at him wandering by the lake below, right? I know people think this would have moved the romance part of the plot along too quickly, but I don't think so. It just shows that she is starting to think about him in a new way, and that he is overwhelmed by the evening. I don't think that this would take away from the rest of the storyline. But the potential internal dialogue for both of them in that scene would be fun to think about. Well said, I think she feels all those things, and I'm with you about wanting to see it on the film - they are both such good actors that I'm sure they could express the ambivalence and confusion (just think about how they are still behaving some time later, Maria in the Reverend Mother's office and Georg on the balcony - they are still confused!)
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Post by Chris&Byng on May 22, 2021 2:30:08 GMT
yes, I think it slows things down between them a bit (the same reason they deleted the scene that came right after, I think?) and to highlight how Elsa still has the upper hand. Also thinking of how, just after Elsa has suggested the party and the children have responded with delight, Maria hustles them out of the room, time for bed, etc. She probably feels that distance exquisitely ... I have always had a 'hmm...?' about the cinematography 'choices' we are given when all the children leave the drawing room to go to bed after Elsa decides she needs to have her party. It's all filmed at adult waist level and below. It's a lot of time to look at Maria's lower half (and almost all the children are 'cut in half') just to have that cute little flourish by Gretl after she exclaims it's her first party...it's like it's purposefully filmed that way to give the impression Georg would have of them all while sitting in the chair? (in that case, it makes sense we are spending a lot of time on Maria's lower half? haha). What do others think?
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Post by augiesannie on May 22, 2021 9:15:55 GMT
yes, I think it slows things down between them a bit (the same reason they deleted the scene that came right after, I think?) and to highlight how Elsa still has the upper hand. Also thinking of how, just after Elsa has suggested the party and the children have responded with delight, Maria hustles them out of the room, time for bed, etc. She probably feels that distance exquisitely ... I have always had a 'hmm...?' about the cinematography 'choices' we are given when all the children leave the drawing room to go to bed after Elsa decides she needs to have her party. It's all filmed at adult waist level and below. It's a lot of time to look at Maria's lower half (and almost all the children are 'cut in half') just to have that cute little flourish by Gretl after she exclaims it's her first party...it's like it's purposefully filmed that way to give the impression Georg would have of them all while sitting in the chair? (in that case, it makes sense we are spending a lot of time on Maria's lower half? haha). What do others think? omigosh I never gave it a lot of thought! I mean I found it kind of distracting/annoying - it gave me that "I have to go write a fanfic" feeling of missing out on what wasn't in the frame - but what a brilliant insight! It would be fun to think about how other scenes might appear differently from a character's POV than from the camera's.
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Post by augiesannie on May 22, 2021 9:20:27 GMT
Also this is off topic (what isn't?) but I often re-watch Georg kissing Gretl and Marta good night and blowing a kiss at - is it Friedrich? not that he shouldn't blow a kiss at his son but why only those three? - another little touch, like his playful peek behind the puppet theatre - to show us the kind of father he has become.
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Post by indigoblue on May 28, 2021 22:36:07 GMT
I was thinking today about the differences in emotion between the exchange after the puppet show and the looks during Edelweiss. I really like the end of the puppet show. He walks right into her space, they are smiling and complimenting each other. He realizes it is over the line once Elsa walks over and he does that awkward bow, which she has a quick strange look on her face after. In my mind she's wondering, "why are you acting strange, we were just having a conversation about the puppet show". I guess I am saying, I think he has fallen for her more than she has fallen for him at this point. Then comes Edelweiss, and it's her turn to be very very much impressed. The first time he looks over at her I think something shifts in her, and by the end of the song she is as taken with him as he is with her. I'm not throwing the L word out there yet (For me, that happens during the Laendler). Still, Edelweiss is pretty major for both of them I think. Why do you think she doesn't sit down for this song? Just trying to be out of the way? I think it would have been wrong socially for Maria to sit with the Captain and Elsa, as she is the Governess, and 'staff' at that. So it is right that she stands a little shyly at the edge, emphasising her lower status and perhaps shyness. But it also allows her more room to move as she squirms with pleasure at the Captain singing, and I suppose it makes it all the more romantic that he is directing his attention out of his immediate group of equals.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Jun 4, 2021 0:19:26 GMT
You're right. Her being separate does make it more dramatic. If he were just looking out over the sea of faces of his children and guests and the governess sitting with the children, it would be hard to see who he was directing his attention to. It is very obvious since Maria is across the room from everyone else.
And I do like watching her squirm under his attention! Though I can't blame her.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 3, 2022 20:43:16 GMT
Why is Maria's guitar (I'm guessing this is hers and not one the captain dug out of storage because it looks just like the one she used in do re mi) sitting without a case in the living room? Are there nightly family sing a longs at this point?
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Post by missisa on Mar 3, 2022 21:01:15 GMT
I've never thought about it quite like that. She does high tail it out of there once Elsa takes over. Does she feel upset about Elsa breaking the awesome vibe she and Georg just had going? Or does she want to be alone with her thoughts/ think about how great the puppet show went/ think about how great Georg just made her feel? I would have liked the deleted scene to be in there! That's the one where we see her gazing out the window at him wandering by the lake below, right? I know people think this would have moved the romance part of the plot along too quickly, but I don't think so. It just shows that she is starting to think about him in a new way, and that he is overwhelmed by the evening. I don't think that this would take away from the rest of the storyline. But the potential internal dialogue for both of them in that scene would be fun to think about. This is killing me. I know the deleted scene where we see Maria gazing out the window but what evidence is there that she is looking AT HIM? I mean she may be thinking about the Captain yes, but looking at him is something very different. Sometimes I don't know whether some information comes from reality or from fanfics 😅 Is there a deleted photo of Georg walking by the lake? why the hell is this explained everywhere whenever we talk about the deleted scene but I haven't seen any scrapped pic of Plummer? 🤣
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Post by missisa on Mar 3, 2022 21:04:56 GMT
Why is Maria's guitar (I'm guessing this is hers and not one the captain dug out of storage because it looks just like the one she used in do re mi) sitting without a case in the living room? Are there nightly family sing a longs at this point? i guess because Liesl played the guitar when all the children sang to welcome the Baroness and left it there after The Hug with the captain and the subsequent Apology ¿? 🥰
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 3, 2022 22:11:29 GMT
I've never thought about it quite like that. She does high tail it out of there once Elsa takes over. Does she feel upset about Elsa breaking the awesome vibe she and Georg just had going? Or does she want to be alone with her thoughts/ think about how great the puppet show went/ think about how great Georg just made her feel? I would have liked the deleted scene to be in there! That's the one where we see her gazing out the window at him wandering by the lake below, right? I know people think this would have moved the romance part of the plot along too quickly, but I don't think so. It just shows that she is starting to think about him in a new way, and that he is overwhelmed by the evening. I don't think that this would take away from the rest of the storyline. But the potential internal dialogue for both of them in that scene would be fun to think about. This is killing me. I know the deleted scene where we see Maria gazing out the window but what evidence is there that she is looking AT HIM? I mean she may be thinking about the Captain yes, but looking at him is something very different. Sometimes I don't know whether some information comes from reality or from fanfics 😅 Is there a deleted photo of Georg walking by the lake? why the hell is this explained everywhere whenever we talk about the deleted scene but I haven't seen any scrapped pic of Plummer? 🤣 I have never seen a pic of Georg from this scene (though if anyone has one, please post it!!). I am basing my thoughts from the script for the scene. As a side note, I think they are checking each other out and falling in love in pretty much every scene of the movie whether I have evidence of it or not. Attachments:
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 5, 2022 0:41:18 GMT
Good spot, rc!
I have never seen video or stills of this bit, so assume it must have left on the cutting room floor, more's the pity...imagine a lovelorn Captain...
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Post by Chris&Byng on Mar 5, 2022 2:48:48 GMT
Good spot, rc! I have never seen video or stills of this bit, so assume it must have left on the cutting room floor, more's the pity...imagine a lovelorn Captain... SIGH!
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Post by augiesannie on Mar 8, 2022 0:16:40 GMT
But imagine what he must be thinking! Is he ashamed of his feelings for a postulant from Nonnberg Abbey? Or does he know her perhaps better than she knows herself and knows that is not the life she was born to live?
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Post by reverendcaptain on Mar 10, 2022 22:42:05 GMT
But imagine what he must be thinking! Is he ashamed of his feelings for a postulant from Nonnberg Abbey? Or does he know her perhaps better than she knows herself and knows that is not the life she was born to live? Maybe some of both. He knows that he shouldn't be flirting with his postulant governess. But he can tell himself that it's not really flirting. As far as knowing she does not belong in the abbey..he's not really in a position to do anything about it. It wouldn't be appropriate for him to suggest a different life path for her. And at this point, the thought of marrying her would seem preposterous (except during secret daydreams?). Maybe he is trying to figure out a way to keep her on as governess to allow her to realize herself that she doesn't belong in the abbey. Telling himself that she would want to be a teacher since she is so great with kids, but again secretly daydreaming that she would somehow stay forever.
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