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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 2, 2023 20:31:20 GMT
Second (and final) chapter of The Vienna Incident up on Fanfic.net! Loved the second chapter too, Indigo! Maybe you will some day write an epilogue? I hope the Rubins somehow escaped! I especially liked the inner dialogue while Georg was out by the lake. He still likes so many things about Elsa, but he can no longer trust her. I think this is spot on for how he is acting. Something isn't right with G&E's relationship even before Maria enters the picture. They are a good match in so many ways, but some part of their foundation is crumbling. Politics is the perfect backstory.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 3, 2023 0:23:25 GMT
Thank you so much for your lovely review, it has really spurred me on!
So much so that, although I have labelled the story as 'Complete', a fragment of a story which has been knocking around in my mind for a long time, I now realise is the perfect 'epilogue'... however, don't hold your breath because it takes me quite a while (months) to polish off these tales. Will keep you posted.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 3, 2023 20:07:37 GMT
Thank you so much for your lovely review, it has really spurred me on! So much so that, although I have labelled the story as 'Complete', a fragment of a story which has been knocking around in my mind for a long time, I now realise is the perfect 'epilogue'... however, don't hold your breath because it takes me quite a while (months) to polish off these tales. Will keep you posted. Yay!! I can be patient!
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Post by reverendcaptain on Feb 3, 2023 20:45:44 GMT
More on the eye-pop: I just watched the balcony scene again and it seemed pretty obvious to me this time. Georg broaches the subject by saying it’s no use, he’s been dishonest, when people talk of marriage, etc. In other words, all about their relationship. Elsa replies in kind: he’s far too independent, not the man for her, enjoyed every minute …. No one talks about Maria and they are almost home free and then Elsa drops her bomb. That’s why I think he is surprised. Like they have almost achieved a civilized superficial breakup and then … they haven’t. What do you think about his smile after the eye pop? If he was hoping to keep it superficial, and they hadn't, wouldn't he look more worried? Or is his smile because Elsa is kind of smirking, so he knows she's not going to turn it into an ugly breakup by saying something terrible about him falling for the governess?
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Post by augiesannie on Feb 3, 2023 23:11:47 GMT
More on the eye-pop: I just watched the balcony scene again and it seemed pretty obvious to me this time. Georg broaches the subject by saying it’s no use, he’s been dishonest, when people talk of marriage, etc. In other words, all about their relationship. Elsa replies in kind: he’s far too independent, not the man for her, enjoyed every minute …. No one talks about Maria and they are almost home free and then Elsa drops her bomb. That’s why I think he is surprised. Like they have almost achieved a civilized superficial breakup and then … they haven’t. What do you think about his smile after the eye pop? If he was hoping to keep it superficial, and they hadn't, wouldn't he look more worried? Or is his smile because Elsa is kind of smirking, so he knows she's not going to turn it into an ugly breakup by saying something terrible about him falling for the governess? Yes, it seems like there is a hope they will part on good terms. So he is being magnanimous.
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Post by augiesannie on Feb 3, 2023 23:12:28 GMT
Thank you so much for your lovely review, it has really spurred me on! So much so that, although I have labelled the story as 'Complete', a fragment of a story which has been knocking around in my mind for a long time, I now realise is the perfect 'epilogue'... however, don't hold your breath because it takes me quite a while (months) to polish off these tales. Will keep you posted. Yay epilogue!
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Post by augiesannie on Feb 3, 2023 23:14:35 GMT
Second (and final) chapter of The Vienna Incident up on Fanfic.net! Loved the second chapter too, Indigo! Maybe you will some day write an epilogue? I hope the Rubins somehow escaped! I especially liked the inner dialogue while Georg was out by the lake. He still likes so many things about Elsa, but he can no longer trust her. I think this is spot on for how he is acting. Something isn't right with G&E's relationship even before Maria enters the picture. They are a good match in so many ways, but some part of their foundation is crumbling. Politics is the perfect backstory. in fact in the play (as opposed to the film) as I'm sure you know, politics really IS a stronger backstory. But I like indigoblue's version of it more.
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Post by indigoblue on Feb 4, 2023 0:04:24 GMT
It is about politics, but it is also about morals. Georg realises he has a different viewpoint compared to Elsa, and that is where the divide begins.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 6, 2023 19:45:54 GMT
What do you think Elsa means by saying she is "terribly fond" of Georg? She wouldn't describe herself as being in love to Max, especially if she had not voiced that level of devotion to Georg yet. But terribly fond, I don't know, it's just an unusual phrase. I wonder how she actually feels. Does she love him but is too afraid to let herself admit that because she knows he doesn't quite love her back? Is she hoping to fall in love with him but can't get there because he is so distant?
What is your take on Elsa's "terribly fond" feelings?
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 6, 2023 22:25:08 GMT
Yes, it's a strange expression to use, and a great question! To me it sounds as though all the cards are right for Elsa, but still that deep love is missing, so she uses the superficial 'terribly fond' to describe how she feels.
So, she feels huge physical attraction to him, he makes her laugh, she likes his military background and leadership qualities, his house and his car (!), she finds him interesting to talk to. And yet...he isn't completely open to her, isn't completely honest with her, he's always hiding something from her...what is it? And maybe it's that unknown thing which bugs her and stops her from giving herself entirely to him, hence she's only 'terribly fond' of him.
It just occurred to me that perhaps Georg is too much of a loner and never had any friends, even before current circumstances occurred? Maybe for a social bird like Elsa, this is a problem, and has been ever since they met in Vienna (hence his negativity about parties etc). Maybe she is hesitant to commit herself to a loner when she knows she needs other people too?
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Post by helenaserdaigle on Sept 10, 2023 19:55:03 GMT
I would agree re-the absence of deep love. For me, this specific wording has always really driven home the point that Elsa and George would marry because it's convenient, and *both* of them know it. There's no complicated feelings on either side, just fondness.
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 11, 2023 19:19:00 GMT
Sometimes fondness is enough, if both parties are willing to settle for being with someone that they are merely fond of. I feel like Georg is heading down this road with Elsa. He knows that he can't ever find true love again after Agathe, so being with someone that pulls him out of the shadows, and who is beautiful and easy to talk to, is all he can hope for. I always get the sense that Elsa wants more though. Maybe because her first marriage lacked true love, and she was hoping to find that level of connection this time around. Plus, Georg is easy on the eyes, what available lady wouldn't want him to fall in love with her?
As for being a loner, maybe this was another reason Elsa insisted on inviting all of the Salzburg elites to the grand and glorious party. She knew she needed to be the one to reach out in order to have people to socialize with while she was away from Vienna. They didn't know it, but everyone at the party was auditioning to see who would be in her new Salzburg circle. Looking at the party guests, I'm not sure who would have made the cut..
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 13, 2023 22:39:10 GMT
Somehow I don't think the maiden aunts who talked to the Captain in the "You can if you want to" scene will make the cut...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 14, 2023 18:43:52 GMT
haha. No, I'm sure they didn't. Actually, there are only 2 ladies that I can think of that are even close to Elsa's age, and 1 is a Nazi's wife. Not that friends have to be the same age, but it just kind of highlights that the Salzburg elite crowd does not have many Elsa-looking people in it.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 15, 2023 22:43:56 GMT
There's a youngish military man in slinky uniform who is about the only person who looks like a friend of Georg's; he might fit into the 'Elsa and Georg Set'.
E&G are charismatic enough to head up a cabal of sophisticated good-lookers, but whom most Salburgers might consider rather 'fast'...
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Post by reverendcaptain on Sept 18, 2023 18:54:34 GMT
G&E certainly do look the part of being the fast crowd ring leaders. I don't think that Georg wants to head up the Salzburg social scene though. He is too reserved. I imagine this would become a point of contention between G&E if they had married.
What do you think the Salzburg crowd's opinion of Georg is? Complete admiration owing to his military triumphs coupled with sympathy over losing his wife so young? Do any of them really know him more than superficially? I wonder if they are nervous that Elsa will turn him from being a family man to being a socialite.
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Post by indigoblue on Sept 23, 2023 23:10:47 GMT
I should think Georg grew up at the villa (assuming it was a family house which had been in his family for generations - although perhaps the Whiteheads bought it with their money on their marriage?). So the locals may well know him fairly well and be sympathetic. It would have been quite common for people to die suddenly as modern treatments like antibiotics for infections, surgery and obstetric care were either not invented then or very primitive. About a quarter of women died in childbirth at the end of the 19th century, so one would hope there was some sort of 'support system' which would roll into action when a husband like G was widowed.
Maybe they think E will inject some gaiety into his life after the rough period after Agathes's death?
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